I've seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars.

Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Polter-Cow - Apr 21, 2013 1:50:04 pm PDT #22435 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, but this is Mr. "I've never met anyone who wasn't important." He's not good with people, but he respects people as a part of the universe. I hadn't considered that he meant people in general with that line since he's so clearly focused on Clara-as-puzzle, but I was expecting a different sort of answer, given previous sentiments he'd expressed about great humans are.


Pix - Apr 21, 2013 1:53:33 pm PDT #22436 of 30001
The status is NOT quo.

I loved this episode! I read the mystery-worth-solving as a testament to the Doctor's love of humanity. Not just as puzzles, but as complex entities he values over all others.


Polter-Cow - Apr 21, 2013 1:56:57 pm PDT #22437 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I like that reading better, so I will incorporate it into my headcanon.


§ ita § - Apr 21, 2013 2:14:43 pm PDT #22438 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Doctor so love puzzles that when he first said that of Clara I thought they were...not Mary Sueing, but imagine the story from the fanfic perspective. He prides himself so much on his intellect and problem solving skills that he just put Clara on a massive pedestal. But he still doesn't grok feelings right, and as such isn't good at people.

He's very good at puzzles, though.


beekaytee - Apr 21, 2013 3:41:56 pm PDT #22439 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I suppose it is a testament to where I am in my own life that I heard that line as his admitting that he was falling in love with her.

I am shallow.


§ ita § - Apr 21, 2013 4:50:52 pm PDT #22440 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, I hope not. Rose is still too soon, especially for an immortal.


DebetEsse - Apr 21, 2013 5:16:56 pm PDT #22441 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

There is also River still in play, but I agree that we should not go back into Doctor/companion romance, and not just because Moffat will fuck it up beyond the telling.


§ ita § - Apr 21, 2013 6:16:10 pm PDT #22442 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You're right--Rose's relationship is near in Earth time, but must be way way far away in Doctor time. Still, that's not a well needs dipping in too often. Captivated, like he was with Amy is just fine.


EpicTangent - Apr 22, 2013 7:35:54 am PDT #22443 of 30001
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

I just continue to be blown away by Tatiana Maslany in this show. She does an amazing job of playing not just all the different clones, but then Sarah-as-Beth and Allison-as-Sarah too.

Co-signed. And Allison finally won me over this ep.


Trudy Booth - Apr 22, 2013 10:23:36 am PDT #22444 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm intrigued by the "Your biological child? She's not adopted like mine?" and I enjoy how they rushed right past it. I had also enjoyed how they showed us the darker than her kids, an episode later showed her surprisingly white husband, and then let me wonder about it for a while... Adopted? Prior relationship? Is this some clone thing? Stupid like Dale Gribble? Opted for donor sperm from a not-matchy friend? Weird casting like Seventh Heaven where they had a kid who I spent two seasons thinking was adopted?

And if loving Fee is wrong I don't wanna be right.