I watched in bits and pieces because of local news coverage that preempted the shows that my roommate wanted to see. So watched some of the first hour, and then some of the second. I figured it wasn't gelling because I wasn't seeing the flow.

I watched the first hour before the PBS documentary on Wonder Woman started airing, and it hadn't gelled for me by that point. A shame; I liked that the leads are a father-daughter duo, I've always enjoyed Grant Bowler's and Julie Benz's work, and of course want Rockne O'Bannon to succeed.

I liked the 2nd part a lot more though - perhaps because there were explosions? The end was really fucked up. So on that basis alone, I'm back for the 2nd ep.

In terms of Orphan Black. There are only three living clones we have spent any time with. Beth and the German are dead. And while Sarah is not a good person, I think she has a redemption arc. The decision to not kidnap her daughter and to not steal the money means she has finally learned the first law of holes: when you are in one stop digging. If they can do this without actually having Sarah do the self-pitying "oh what an awful sinner I was, and look what I good girl I am now" that could be interesting. And I think her character has been written such that they can. Also a question about Felix: can a character be a stereotype AND awesome?

Typo Boy: Felix - absolutely.

I'm enjoying Orphan Black.

I didn't realize that Defiance had started!!!

Moving has messed up my tv watching.

I love Felix in spite of myself.

Also a question about Felix: can a character be a stereotype AND awesome?

Must be, 'cause he is.

I think you're right about Sarah having a redemption arc in her future, but up to now she's been...not redeemed. I get why she's selfish, and why Allison's kinda bitchy, but I really feel like I'd be enjoying it more if they'd start working together to figure out what's up. Maybe that's why Kasima's the only one I like at this point - she seems to be trying to draw them together and solve the Mystery, not just look out for #1. But I suppose the fact that Katja was there meant that there's some intention on the part of the known clones (pre-Sarah) to gather intel and figure stuff out. I guess I'm just looking forward to more of that, and less of the snipey bitchiness.

I thought we had to have the snipey bitchiness to root for them when they start working together.

I must admit, it is strange that Beth killed herself when all of this shit was going down. You take time to teach one of your sister clones how to shoot, but then you kill yourself so the others can't find info they need?

It is kind of interesting how differently the 3 clones we met focus on self-interest. Sarah is kind of terrible, but I like her for some reason. She isn't making decisions I would make, but I understand why she made them (except having sex with Beth's husband, I think she could have made another choice).

Having sex with Beth's husband was back when she was still making bad choices. Some of her choices were clever, but all were bad or at least ways of surviving previous bad choices. Her only *good* choices were to defend Felix, to not kidnap Kiera and to give back the money - all at the very end of the third episode. They are taking advantage of this being a series to show her as doing a lot of wrong things and then start the redemption process. If this were a two hour movie, we would have gotten five minutes of back story revealing all the bad choices, and seen the redemption start ten or fifteen minutes into the movie. One area where a series can do better story telling than a movie.

Typo, but she would have had sex with him again given the opportunity! I hope she does cease, but I'm not so sure.