I want to torture you. I used to love it, and it's been a long time. I mean, the last time I tortured someone, they didn't even have chainsaws.

Angel ,'Chosen'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Polter-Cow - Mar 25, 2013 7:38:34 am PDT #22283 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well, at least Andrea finally made a good decision. That almost counts as character development!


le nubian - Mar 25, 2013 8:40:29 am PDT #22284 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I'm not sure if I think the previous two eps of TWD have been "terrible" - but I cannot get over the character assassination of Andrea. I just can't get over it. I have no idea why the writers thought it was good for them to portray Andrea the ways they have, but it is ridiculous. I cannot remain in the show because just about every time she is on screen I have thought bubbles about her character, her actions, the things she says, that take me right out of the show.

Last night's episode, my one comment to Beau was: "so help me, if at this point Michonne gets brutalized, I'm out. I'm serious."


Polter-Cow - Mar 25, 2013 8:42:40 am PDT #22285 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

From the ending of last week's episode, it seems they may give that to Andrea instead.


le nubian - Mar 25, 2013 8:46:13 am PDT #22286 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I agree with you and what I thought was going to happen based on the end of last week's ep. I kind of wish they had decided to go as far as they needed to with Maggie.

Now, if Andrea gets roughed up, it's like she "deserved" it because she was so fucking stupid/trusting along the way. We already know how brutal the governor is, can the viewers be spared more of this bullshit, please?


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2013 9:13:50 am PDT #22287 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How is Andrea's character being assassinated? Doesn't that imply she was portrayed in a way that could be damaged? I'm not clear on exactly how much we (and maybe Michonne) knew about the Governor that she didn't, but she was literally in bed with the enemy when she could technically have her pick of the entire post-apocalypse and she failed to see anything wrong or creepy about him way past Michonne being counter-productively laconic.

One of the IO9 editors posted a very Guv-sympathetic post bunch of episodes back. Post Glenn and Maggie torment, and he was all "He's got a tough job! Look at all the positive things he's achieved! A room full of heads isn't weird, and he just misses his family..." So if he could fall for that, maybe Andrea was understandably blind?

No, I don't get it either. But it wouldn't have killed (like, literally would work towards not killing her) Michonne to explain stuff a bit better, instead of seeming so cuckolded. Though, if they had been making the undead beast with two backs until Andrea got into range of either power or penis, that would be interesting.


Polter-Cow - Mar 25, 2013 9:14:24 am PDT #22288 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

it's like she "deserved" it because she was so fucking stupid/trusting along the way.

Yeah, that makes me uncomfortable too. I mean, I was rooting for her to be killed off as much as anyone, but she was winning me over when she finally chose a fucking side, so I don't wish what looks to be coming onto her.


Fiona - Mar 25, 2013 10:09:16 am PDT #22289 of 30001

Prequel for the next episode of Doctor Who:

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le nubian - Mar 25, 2013 10:47:31 am PDT #22290 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

How is Andrea's character being assassinated?

My statement is due to the extreme character differences between the graphic novel and the TV show. I'm not a "this MUST conform to the original", but the writers have introduced a lot of characterization problems with some of the changes they have made and Andrea is the most stark. The Andrea of the novel would not have done 90% of the shit this Andrea did and that is really bothersome to me.

They took a really strong, capable woman character and dumbed her WAY the fuck down, for no discernible reason.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 25, 2013 11:39:46 am PDT #22291 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't think they realize they're doing so, however. Every statement on the subject of Andrea from TPTB indicates they think the sun shines out of her ass, which makes me think we may have a Kristin Kreuk/Smallville situation going on between them and Laurie Holden.


le nubian - Mar 25, 2013 1:08:34 pm PDT #22292 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Oh NO.