I doubt CW will fully exploit the former either.

Yeah, we totally can't think of a couple CW shows with people acting in them, can we? No one here watches any, that's for sure.

Yeah, but isn't this on Arrow?

The Arrow with Colin Salmon? I'm certainly not going to talk smack about anyone's opportunity to act just because their costars can't. There's nothing he's failed to convince me of yet. Hell, aside from the lead, I think everyone's doing a fine job. There's some room between Shakespeare and the 5th grade Christmas play. I'm not mad at the channel that gives me Supernatural. Plenty of places an actor can exceed their material. After shooting the director, natch.

I agree with ita - there is plenty of good acting on Arrow. Even Katie Cassidy has improved amazingly since her stint on SPN.

I'm having trouble with Cpt Jack Harkness being the dad of a grown up son. It was just jarring! And when was his character introduced?

Was it in the episode where he had Moira in his office? My CW feed has been crappy for weeks so I miss a lot. I've been catching up on Hulu, but I'm wondering if I missed an episode.

He was a mysterious person in a limo meeting with Ollie's mom for a number of weeks before we saw who he was.

TVD: Okay, so my thoughts about Jeremy and the hunters are that it totally makes sense that there should be a population of mystical hunters that go after the creatures whose primary prey is human. But, I also think that Jeremy is just starting out and part of his training ought to be learning to control the impulses that have him dreaming scenarios where he kills his sister, her boyfriend, etc.

It's interesting that in TVD-verse werewolves are marked as murderers (in the most basic meaning) by the simple fact that they are werewolves. In theory, you could have the possibility of being a werewolve but never murder anyone and therefore never turning.

I doubt that the show will do anything interesting with this but they could.

I think the show forgets that most people go through pretty long lives without taking anyone else's. Whereas in Mystic Falls they do that instead of bake sales.

While watching Arrow, I see all the commercials for the other CW shows (which are still Pretty White People With Problems [or, in the case of TVD, Pretty White Vampires With Problems]), and the commercials for this week's SPN made it look like Wacky Hijinx With Cas. Is that true? Because the commercial made Tim ask "Why don't we watch this show?"

This week their "monster" was a good guy, but an aging psychokinetic that was tetreating into his happy place, which is 24x7 cartoons. Net effect, a 50 foot (is that the right size?) bubble of weird where cartoon rules work.

I wish they'd gone further with it, but amongst the effects of his bubble, they did have a cartoon rules fight (gun fires bang flag, grab a frying pan from nowhere and bean your opponent and his face imprints on it and we hear squeaky noises, but then again, he's lured you to where he's drawn an X with a giant marker, so better run before the anvil falls! Oh--and a freeze frame with "scientific" names of the antagonists). Okay, wait--that was pretty damned cool...never mind the big holes drawn in walls, exploding hearts and cakes, and the guy who tried to jump off a building but didn't fall until he looked down.

The whole show is a mix of wacky hijinx, immeasurable man pain, and everybody killing everything. I'd say it's definitely the wackiest show the CW has, and it's a good shot at the most painful (for the characters--audience effect is subjective). Tailor made for me and my...interests.