But it's not the norm, and this show hadn't pulled it before, so it was surprising.

It's really kinda sad that a post-apocalyptic plague-ridden dystopia is getting points for killing people off rhythm. It should be their norm, not a source of brownie points.

"The decision to move up Lori's death was to make sure that Rick was suffering as much as possible, that Rick was at his breaking point, at the exact moment that his most formidable foe [the Governor] was coming right for him," showrunner Glen Mazzara told THR.

Oh, good. As long as the white guy has some deaths of black people and women to move along his story. t rolls eyes

I mean, I think the episode was better than that quote makes it sound. But the gender politics still make me roll my eyes. Better than last season, but.

OK, I get and agree what you were saying (D and I were both wrought over T-Dog! "NO! T-DOG! NOOOO!" and we're not SURE Carol is dead. I mean, we saw her scarf, not her body, right?)

With T-Dog and Carol, they were running and fighting for their lives, adrenalin pumping, no time to mourn. With finding out Lori dies, there weren't hordes of zombies attacking Rick and co. at the moment and it was HIS WIFE. I'll give a little slack for that, esp. since it was the end of the ep.

Although, I was shocked about Lori, but I was kind of like "Adult woman (memfaulting on her name), hand Carl the fucking baby and shoot Lori yourself. DO NOT LET THE CHILD SHOOT HIS OWN MOTHER. He can hold his brother for 2 fucking minutes and turn his back."

I know, character development, blah, blah, but FFS, who DOES that?!

Carol better not be dead. If they killed her off screen I will be seriously pissed off.

Me, too. And you KNOW Daryl will try to find her. And I LOVE her character development, from an abused wife to a woman who will stab a zombie in the eye and then use the corpse to practice a C-section on.

TEAM CAROL!

With T-Dog and Carol, they were running and fighting for their lives, adrenalin pumping, no time to mournWith T-Dog and Carol, they were running and fighting for their lives, adrenalin pumping, no time to mourn

They found Carol's scarf minutes before they got outside and heard that Lori's dead. I mean, they'd only just discussed it with the larger group. I'm not sure where the running and fighting was--all the revelations of death to the group at large were in one scene, and the scene where they find Carol's scarf and what I'm assuming was T's body happened at a leisurely ho-hum stroll.

As long as the white guy has some deaths of black people and women to move along his story

That's unfair. The death of the black people isn't moving his story along at all.

But they'd just engaged in a massive fight, and Carl, Lori and Memfault got separated. (The RickCrew knew they were lost, right? I can't remember.)

And losing people...I mean, it hurts and it sucks, but they've lost so many of their groups that everyone is kinda PTSD at this point. I'm not saying you're wrong, ita !, and I should go back and rewatch that section.

I thought this was a strong ep.

But they'd just engaged in a massive fight, and Carl, Lori and Memfault got separated

They walk past T's body and Carol's scarf, go outside, say that those two have died, Rick says "That doesn't mean Lori et al are dead", then Bela walks out with the baby and Carl has the dead eyes and people start literally falling out.

Including not-related-to Lori people, which is the bit that seemed kinda callous.

I'm a sick wench; I was kinda hoping the baby would be a zombie-baby.

And I STILL think Bela (SPN, that's totes how I think of her, too) should have shot Dead!Lori, not Carl.