Xander: Look who's got a bad case of Dark Prince envy. Dracula: Leave us. Xander: No, we're not going to "Leabbb you." And where'd you get that accent, Sesame Street? "One, Two, Three - three victims! Maw ha ha!"

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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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§ ita § - Nov 06, 2012 5:13:00 am PST #21591 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

With T-Dog and Carol, they were running and fighting for their lives, adrenalin pumping, no time to mournWith T-Dog and Carol, they were running and fighting for their lives, adrenalin pumping, no time to mourn

They found Carol's scarf minutes before they got outside and heard that Lori's dead. I mean, they'd only just discussed it with the larger group. I'm not sure where the running and fighting was--all the revelations of death to the group at large were in one scene, and the scene where they find Carol's scarf and what I'm assuming was T's body happened at a leisurely ho-hum stroll.

As long as the white guy has some deaths of black people and women to move along his story

That's unfair. The death of the black people isn't moving his story along at all.


Strix - Nov 06, 2012 7:01:34 am PST #21592 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

But they'd just engaged in a massive fight, and Carl, Lori and Memfault got separated. (The RickCrew knew they were lost, right? I can't remember.)

And losing people...I mean, it hurts and it sucks, but they've lost so many of their groups that everyone is kinda PTSD at this point. I'm not saying you're wrong, ita !, and I should go back and rewatch that section.

I thought this was a strong ep.


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2012 7:51:51 am PST #21593 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But they'd just engaged in a massive fight, and Carl, Lori and Memfault got separated

They walk past T's body and Carol's scarf, go outside, say that those two have died, Rick says "That doesn't mean Lori et al are dead", then Bela walks out with the baby and Carl has the dead eyes and people start literally falling out.

Including not-related-to Lori people, which is the bit that seemed kinda callous.


Strix - Nov 06, 2012 8:28:03 am PST #21594 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I'm a sick wench; I was kinda hoping the baby would be a zombie-baby.

And I STILL think Bela (SPN, that's totes how I think of her, too) should have shot Dead!Lori, not Carl.


le nubian - Nov 06, 2012 8:31:02 am PST #21595 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I was kinda hoping the baby would be a zombie-baby.

yes. we are sick together. I even insisted that it was and Beau talked me off the ledge: "no way it is a zombie baby, the baby has to be born first!"

Grr.


tiggy - Nov 06, 2012 9:08:04 am PST #21596 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

and people start literally falling out.

who else besides Rick and Maggie? when they panned around everyone else just kind of seemed in shock, not devastated like Rick. Maggie was sobbing because she essentially killed Lori.


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2012 11:00:07 am PST #21597 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

everyone else just kind of seemed in shock

It is really devastating, but there was zero reaction for Carol and T. I would be bitching about that anyway, but the fact that the bawling started (I'm going with four of them crying or equivalent, and jaws dropping with the others as opposed to shrugging from before) for death #3, and it didn't look like a cumulative thing from where I was sitting, but more like a "Oh, well, that's really sad, tho" thing.

COLD.


tiggy - Nov 06, 2012 11:11:44 am PST #21598 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I agree that the lack of reaction about T-Dog and Carol is pretty heinous. though, i do think Daryl showed a bit of emotion when he picked up her scarf.

I'm going with four of them crying or equivalent, and jaws dropping with the others as opposed to shrugging from before)

no, it's just Carl(who only lets a single tear slide down his cheek), Rick and Maggie who are crying. see? [link]


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2012 12:12:04 pm PST #21599 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm standing by my measurement of Glenn as crying-adjacent rather than agog-adjacent. Three crying, one equivalent.


tiggy - Nov 06, 2012 12:43:03 pm PST #21600 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

we'll have to agree to disagree on that. i see him as trying to comfort Maggie.