Spike: At least give me Wesley's office since he's gone. Angel: He's not gone. He's on a leave of absence. Spike: Yeah, right. Boo-hoo. Thought he killed his bloody father. Try staking your mother when she's coming on to you! Harmony: Well…that explains a lot.

'Destiny'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Steph L. - Oct 10, 2012 4:47:37 pm PDT #21340 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Maybe because of the Abs?

The Abs did seem magical, too.

Unrelatedly, I was really disappointed when Bad Bald Guy's new head of security (the one who looked like he just stepped off the runway from fashion week) turned out to NOT have a Russian accent. (That's not comic book stuff; just my own amusing-to-me commentary while I watched. He just *seemed* like he should be Russian or vaguely Eastern European.)


Steph L. - Oct 10, 2012 4:58:52 pm PDT #21341 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

This is all characters --

Speedy: in the comic, the original Speedy was Green Arrow's teenage boy sidekick, much like Robin. And he developed a drug problem (heroin, IIRC) when he got older. But he got through it, and he eventually aged out of being the sidekick, and no longer went by the name Speedy. After some time passed (years, but I don't know how many), Green Arrow ended up taking on a new sidekick, who was a girl, and she ended up also taking the name Speedy. AFAIK, she did NOT have a drug problem. So having TV Speedy be a girl is kind of awesome, and the drug thing just made me laugh, because it felt like the TV show was determined to get their parallels on.

Tommy Merlin: in the comic, Merlyn (note the spelling) is an archer who is Green Arrow's nemesis. Actually, I don't know how the TV character's name is spelled -- maybe it is Tommy Merlyn. I maybe shoulda looked that up. Anyway, given his comic-book parallel, the possibilities REALLY intrigue me.

Laurel: in the comic, as in the TV show, her full name is Dinah Laurel Lance, which Tommy said at the end (generally referred to in the comic as Dinah), and is Black Canary, superhero in her own right and on-again, off-again romantic interest of Green Arrow.

I think that's it as far as the characters go. For now.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 10, 2012 5:02:21 pm PDT #21342 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Archery I could buy, but how does one learn parkour and untraceable computer hacking on a deserted island?


JenP - Oct 10, 2012 5:41:14 pm PDT #21343 of 30001

Very cool. I am now more intrigued by Arrow.


Steph L. - Oct 10, 2012 5:44:40 pm PDT #21344 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

untraceable computer hacking

That part made me laugh and laugh. The boxing-glove arrow would have been more plausible.

But I was willing to handwave it, because...abs.


Vortex - Oct 10, 2012 6:06:50 pm PDT #21345 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

It's wireless untraceable hacking. And as long as we're nitpicking, how did he learn how to use a lift and wire a generator? And there was way more stuff in that room than he had in those two little duffle bags.

Side note, I wiki'ed Green Arrow, and one of the writers is named Diggle. Nice shout out.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 11, 2012 5:58:20 am PDT #21346 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Also, I question Robert Queen's approach to cleaning up Star City, which is apparently important enough to be worth both murdering someone and committing suicide, but not so urgent that he can't spare time for pleasure cruises in the Pacific.


Steph L. - Oct 11, 2012 6:47:58 am PDT #21347 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It's wireless untraceable hacking. And as long as we're nitpicking, how did he learn how to use a lift and wire a generator?

I've read speculation that Ollie wasn't alone on the island for the whole 5 years. (Do we whitefont speculation?) I assume more flashbacks are forthcoming.


JenP - Oct 11, 2012 10:46:48 am PDT #21348 of 30001

I think if it's purely speculation, it's OK. That's interesting. I assume more flashbacks, too. I hope we're done with voiceovers though. The actor is fine when he's on the screen, but I think his voiceovers sound pretty stiff.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2012 12:16:56 pm PDT #21349 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Arrow lives here because it's a DC property?