Ah, yes, of course. The gypsies, they gave you your soul. The gypsies are filthy people. Ptui! We shall speak of them no more.

Ilona Costa Bianchi ,'The Girl in Question'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2012 12:14:51 am PDT #21233 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, he can't get back to New York at that time, but I don't see why they can't leave it. It would have been an issue while the Angels still had it on lockdown, but after the paradox poisoning? No sense. All he couldn't do was change when they died and where they were buried, right? Once the book was written...or did adding the note at the end lock things in? That would have been funny.

In a not funny at all way, totes.


sj - Sep 30, 2012 2:22:59 am PDT #21234 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

but I don't see why they can't leave it

This is the part I didn't quite understand. Are they stuck in that room for the rest of their lives?


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2012 3:00:30 am PDT #21235 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The hotel disappeared, so no. And Amy got a book published, so I'm assuming not isolated, but normal.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 30, 2012 4:55:52 am PDT #21236 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Was it more that they didn't want him to find them again? The whole 'We have to choose' thing from last week. Otherwise I'm having trouble understanding where that fits in. The season arc was following a trajectory along those lines, but appeared to abandon it with this episode.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2012 5:17:23 am PDT #21237 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Would that stop him? He said something like "You realise this means I will never see you again?" I didn't see her tell him to leave them alone either.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 30, 2012 5:40:15 am PDT #21238 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

You're right. That scene felt rushed and I wondered if we were missing something (in script editing?) - as it was, it definitely wasn't text.


Consuela - Sep 30, 2012 8:55:26 am PDT #21239 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I have no idea how that made any sense at all. Seriously: there was a great deal of handwaving and no logic, so far as I can tell.

But hey, it was quite scary in spots. And we got a lot of River, which is always good in my mind.


Shir - Sep 30, 2012 9:29:40 am PDT #21240 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

DW: judging by the discussion in non-spoiler font, I can write freely here, right?


Jon B. - Sep 30, 2012 9:37:22 am PDT #21241 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

It aired in the US last night, so yes.


Shir - Sep 30, 2012 9:46:26 am PDT #21242 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Thank you. I tried to look for the air date but the internet didn't behave.

So. Instead of going through the motions of everything that is horribly wrong with Moffat's ideas for DW, I'll ask this: anyone else thinks Angel's Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a was much better version of the story?