Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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sj - Sep 30, 2012 2:22:59 am PDT #21234 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

but I don't see why they can't leave it

This is the part I didn't quite understand. Are they stuck in that room for the rest of their lives?


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2012 3:00:30 am PDT #21235 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The hotel disappeared, so no. And Amy got a book published, so I'm assuming not isolated, but normal.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 30, 2012 4:55:52 am PDT #21236 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Was it more that they didn't want him to find them again? The whole 'We have to choose' thing from last week. Otherwise I'm having trouble understanding where that fits in. The season arc was following a trajectory along those lines, but appeared to abandon it with this episode.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2012 5:17:23 am PDT #21237 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Would that stop him? He said something like "You realise this means I will never see you again?" I didn't see her tell him to leave them alone either.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 30, 2012 5:40:15 am PDT #21238 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

You're right. That scene felt rushed and I wondered if we were missing something (in script editing?) - as it was, it definitely wasn't text.


Consuela - Sep 30, 2012 8:55:26 am PDT #21239 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I have no idea how that made any sense at all. Seriously: there was a great deal of handwaving and no logic, so far as I can tell.

But hey, it was quite scary in spots. And we got a lot of River, which is always good in my mind.


Shir - Sep 30, 2012 9:29:40 am PDT #21240 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

DW: judging by the discussion in non-spoiler font, I can write freely here, right?


Jon B. - Sep 30, 2012 9:37:22 am PDT #21241 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

It aired in the US last night, so yes.


Shir - Sep 30, 2012 9:46:26 am PDT #21242 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Thank you. I tried to look for the air date but the internet didn't behave.

So. Instead of going through the motions of everything that is horribly wrong with Moffat's ideas for DW, I'll ask this: anyone else thinks Angel's Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a was much better version of the story?


sj - Sep 30, 2012 10:18:30 am PDT #21243 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

So. Instead of going through the motions of everything that is horribly wrong with Moffat's ideas for DW, I'll ask this: anyone else thinks Angel's Are You Now or Have You Ever Been a was much better version of the story?

Yup. I said this last night to my friends while watching it.