Everybody dies, Tracey. Someone's carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it. The trick is to die of old age before it finds you.
Mal ,'The Message'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Tom Scola - Sep 09, 2012 4:18:47 pm PDT #21079 of 30001
hwæt
askye - Sep 09, 2012 4:58:45 pm PDT #21080 of 30001
Thrive to spite them
I thought Sarah Jane left by her own decision.
Mickie - Sep 09, 2012 5:14:45 pm PDT #21081 of 30001
Who, Me?
No. Four was recalled to Galifrey, and dropped her off (in the wrong city, but apparently the right planet and time).
DebetEsse - Sep 09, 2012 5:15:11 pm PDT #21082 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Sarah Jane got booted originally when the Doctor was called back to Gallifrey.
He left her in the wrong place...which was utterly lacking in meaning to me-who-knows-little-of-UK-geography.
§ ita § - Sep 09, 2012 5:16:59 pm PDT #21083 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
She did want some Doctor closure. but it's not like she was pining in some strange place far from home, or anything.
DebetEsse - Sep 09, 2012 6:20:43 pm PDT #21084 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
1) They have a greedy murderous trader with a big nose and they name him "Solomon"?
And disabled, at that. The episode was a real "win" on a number of "stepping directly into of problematic stereotypes" fronts.
There were a lot of bits of this one that I liked, but it fell into the "too many ingredients" category, because random Nefertiti and not!Quartermain seemed really random and superfluous to the plot. I get that they didn't want to use River, or make it future-Torchwood or UNIT that was gonna shoot down the ship, but my in medias res tolerance for things where I've seen all the res there is and it clearly being a one-off episode and largely outside of this large and complex universe that has been established is low enough to inspire me to write this post.
§ ita § - Sep 09, 2012 6:29:15 pm PDT #21085 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is there not a meaningful distinction between disabled and injured? Or is it too loaded for that?
I like the idea of the Doctor running around and grabbing random people and having adventures. And then going "Oh! Ponds!" and getting some of them too. Still way too human, but it's lessening up on the claustrophobic run of contemporaneous human English-speaking women.
I'd love to think they could at least hook us up with an alien that looks human (hardly an earth-shattering concept), but I hold out little hope for that. I think they rely on 21st century touchpoints too much, whether explicit or not. At this point, the companion isn't our viewpoint character, are they? Can't they be one more thing we look at, rather than the lens through which we look?
Polter-Cow - Sep 09, 2012 7:56:43 pm PDT #21086 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
They have a greedy murderous trader with a big nose and they name him "Solomon"?
And disabled, at that.
I don't get the reference.
DebetEsse - Sep 09, 2012 8:18:25 pm PDT #21087 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
At this point, the companion isn't our viewpoint character, are they?
I wish the show would embrace this more.
I don't get the reference.
It's not a particular reference, and not particularly in conjunction with the Jewy McHebrewson-ness of the character, just a bonus stereotype.
Typo Boy - Sep 09, 2012 8:21:21 pm PDT #21088 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Solomon is a pretty standard Jewish name. They are playing to a Jewish stereotype. (Not on purpose I'm sure , but someone should have noticed )
Or if you were only asking about he disability: Disabled = Grotesque = Villain is a very old meme in pulp fiction. Phantom of the Opera and Dick Tracey are both well known examples.