A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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She wouldn't be there if the alternative did not mean her father's death.
Not in the original, no. The Beast says she's not supposed to come if she doesn't want to, and she's not kept there, and if she had gone back to her family and not returned to him, she'd have paid no penalty.
The transformation of his personality is
not
due to her. The transformation of his face is. The lesson learnt during the span of the story (it was later expanded to start from his curse, according to my searching) was by
her,
that she truly loved him. Incorporating him learning to be a good person was a later addition, and maybe Disney wrote theirs so it's something she teaches him, but that
definitely
wasn't in what I read as a child.
If I were to be facetious, I'd say that if your takeaway that the big deal is his face changing, then you've missed the point of the story.
Cinderella is always being rescued, and Sleeping Beauty is cursed and then comatose. Snow White, also comatose.
That doesn't seem fair. Cinderella does get a lot of help, but she sneaks off to the ball three times and gets away per the rules twice. Sleeping Beauty is kind of a cipher, but so is everyone else in that story who isn't a fairy - the prince only succeeds in waking her because he happens to come along when the curse has run its course. Snow White manages to survive in the woods on her own long enough to ally herself with the dwarves, who initially don't want to take her in.
That's true. But in the end nothing they've done is what causes the prince to come kiss them (or shoe them).
The prince falls in love with Cinderella while they're dancing, surely that's all her.
Eta: Cinderella, like Beauty, is a merchant's daughter. Higher social status at the beginning of the story -> less agency?
That's true.
The highest social status would be royalty, and that fits Snow White and Sleeping Beauty.
Gretel was a take charge girl. And Red Riding Hood, in some versions of her story.
Rapunzel was a farmer's daughter. She displayed some agency.
Not in the original, no. The Beast says she's not supposed to come if she doesn't want to, and she's not kept there, and if she had gone back to her family and not returned to him, she'd have paid no penalty.
That's... not like any version of B&B I've read/watched. In the story I remember, he tells her that *after* he gets to know her and realizes how much the separation from her family devastates her (I think her father falls ill or something?). At the beginning, she begs to go home and he always refuses. Ah well. I guess it's not surprising that we can't agree on the interpretation if the stories in our heads are different. Which is totally fine. Archetypal stories are subject to different interpretations depending on what the reader brings to the story, after all.
On a different topic: BBC America tells me that we are going to have the new Doctor Who this weekend. I think, on the same day the show airs over on BBC in UK? (I assume, several hours later to accommodate for the time difference.) I may just catch it on TV rather than trying to ahem it. Do they edit out any footage from the original version? I remember they used to do that for Spooks/MI5 and it drove me CRAZY.
Also, my cable company (Comcast) has HD version channel for *everything* except fir BBC America. Do they just not make a HD version of the channel or is it the whim of the local Comcast people that it's not part of the line up?
