It was done to her by an enemy. A rogue enemy, at that, who wasn't acting under orders at the time, so who knows what was intended.
Mal: Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous. Simon: Yes, I'm very proud.
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-t - Aug 29, 2012 8:42:45 am PDT #20916 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Consuela - Aug 29, 2012 9:20:08 am PDT #20917 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Yay yay yay: this might make me even happier than having Joss Whedon making television again.
Vonnie K - Aug 29, 2012 11:47:16 am PDT #20918 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Oh, dear. Trailer for the upcoming CW revamp of Beauty and the Beast: [link]
Kristen Kreuk is so pretty but still tragically unable to act. Even knowing the problematic aspect of it, I've always been a sucker for the Beauty and the Beast story. But not if the dialog and the acting are this bad.
§ ita § - Aug 29, 2012 12:10:25 pm PDT #20919 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Problematic?
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 29, 2012 12:13:01 pm PDT #20920 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Isn't "the Beast" also being played by some typically handsome CW mannequin?
Vonnie K - Aug 29, 2012 12:26:02 pm PDT #20921 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Isn't "the Beast" also being played by some typically handsome CW mannequin?
Yeap. The lighting is so dark that I can't really make it out, but it looks like they mostly paste a scar across one of his perfect cheekbones and call it a day.
Problematic?
I think it's in the root of a lot of dysfunctional beliefs about relationships, especially ones surrounding the attraction to Bad Boys. To wit: the violent, brutal, and the uncouth can be tamed by your gentle presence. Or if you love him enough, he'll change.
Consuela - Aug 29, 2012 12:35:00 pm PDT #20922 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Or if you love him enough, he'll change
GAH, yes. And I love the Disney B&B as much as anyone does, but dude, that's a toxic subtext.
One of the better things about the original GRRM-written Beauty & the Beast was that Vincent was, emotionally, very much not a beast, but a really sweet guy. So it ran counter to that ugly subtext of the original fairy tale.
§ ita § - Aug 29, 2012 12:46:33 pm PDT #20923 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
This telling of it seems to be a woman falling in love with the Hulk. I'd have to watch it play out before I come to the conclusion that she's going to love the monster right out of him.
Given that his beast side started off by saving her life when she was a child I'm not getting the same blanket endorsement of dangerous relationships that you are seeing.
I've never been overly interested in the story, and I've never watched the Disney film, so I can't comment on its particular interpretation, but I'd, evidently too innocently, inferred it was a message about beauty being more than skin deep, since the fairy tale I read didn't have the Beast as violent--he was very nice and generous, just ugly.
Is there a Grimm version where his actions are ugly too?
Juliebird - Aug 29, 2012 12:53:45 pm PDT #20924 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
The story I remember is that he got cursed for being shallow or prideful or something to do with vanity, but that he'd never been a mean or violent person, although he did get cranky and bellowy with Beauty's dad and scared him, and I think deliberately tried to scare Beauty, but my memory is that was almost a symptom of being alone and desocialized and also trying to keep people at a continued emotional distance, and when it doesn't work, gives up the angry act?
Zenkitty - Aug 29, 2012 1:11:14 pm PDT #20925 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Juliebird, yes, the story as I remember it was that the prince was not a cruel or violent man, just prideful and vain, and was turned into a Beast for his arrogance, and he got over himself when Beauty wouldn't put up with any of his crap.
I dunno about the new version. I'll probably give it a try. It's my favorite fairy tale.