Jayne: What're you gonna tell the others? Mal: About what? Jayne: About why I'm dead. Mal: Hadn't thought about it. Jayne: Make something up. Don't tell 'em what I did.

'Ariel'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Theodosia - Mar 25, 2012 3:41:53 am PDT #19780 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'll ever so slightly defend Lori on this -- under stress, some people revert to gender stereotypes (which kinda explains a lot about the Republican party right now) as a source of comfort and "rightness". I think that's where she was coming from.

I remember the Nightstalker series as being rather funny. But remember, it was a rather lone example of its genre at the time... (What year was Night of the Living Dead released again?)


Frankenbuddha - Mar 25, 2012 4:42:53 am PDT #19781 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

NotLD was 1968, Theo.


Theodosia - Mar 25, 2012 7:44:03 am PDT #19782 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

So there'd been enough time for Romero's "zombies" to get accepted as the canon mythology.


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2012 8:27:58 am PDT #19783 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Although KNown, dont think they were "the" Canon yet. Other zombie mytholodies still very active in popular culture, including the tormented zombie who passed for human and hated his (almost always a he) unlife.


quester - Mar 25, 2012 8:52:25 am PDT #19784 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Loved the episodes of Korra. I just hope the rest of them will be accessable on line.


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2012 8:54:36 am PDT #19785 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you have any examples of that, Typo? I'd love to read about some pre-Romero non-Vodou zombies.


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2012 9:50:58 am PDT #19786 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well they were usually Voudou, but the author's Voudou, with not much of a nod to actual Voudou culture.

One really awful non-Voudou one 'The Return of Dr. X' [link]

Humphrey Bogart is the zombie doctor.

[on edit] early on, a pale Bogart with a streak of white in his hair is introduced stroking a bunny. "we are both victims" he says. "Victims of what he is asked" answer: pause "circumstances".


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2012 9:53:10 am PDT #19787 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

There were also some movies in which zombies are used as soldiers in WWI trench warfare, which I think was in part meant to be a reference to how horrible the conditions in which soldiers lived and died in in the trenches.


Zenkitty - Mar 25, 2012 11:30:53 am PDT #19788 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Any other examples besides Return of Dr. X, Typo?


Typo Boy - Mar 25, 2012 5:18:52 pm PDT #19789 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

There are, but hte problem is I saw them all on late night TV during bouts of illness, so I have to google titles to find details.

One of the post WWI that I am 90% sure is "scientific" rather than vodou is the again awful "revolt of the zombies". Zombies were used successfully in WWI, and now a soldier has been sent to Cambodia to recover the formula. But he abuses it for his own purposes. Revolt of the Zombie is another tormented scientifically created zombie out for revenge. There is also "revenge of the zombies" in which zombie slaves are created to serve Nazis, and the zombie maker has even turned his wife into a zombie. Zombie wife ends up leading the revolt of the zombie slaves against the zombie maker. Plague of Zombies does have the zombies raised by means learned in Haiti, but it is a Welsh squire raising the dead to work as miners. I think Romero took his dead rising from the graves scene in 1968 from this. I'll bet Hec can remember more of these than I can. There is also "strange creatures who stopped living and becaming crazy mixed up zombies" which I have never scene, because I always assumed no film could be either as good or as bad as that title.