My heart expands / 'tis grown a bulge in't / inspired by / your beauty effulgent.

William ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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sumi - Mar 16, 2012 2:55:56 pm PDT #19714 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

And here are David and Silas being adorable.


Vortex - Mar 18, 2012 12:31:46 pm PDT #19715 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I've never watched the show, zombies aren't my thing, but I found this blog post interesting.

Is "The Walking Dead" TV Show Racist?


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 12:47:11 pm PDT #19716 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There are points in that post that accumulate to make me eventually glaze over.

Take this:

T-Dog is a zombie TV version of the magical negro

Which I think is bullshit. He's not a magical negro at all. He's an underwritten black character, which is not the same thing. Magical negro is a specific (and not necessarily underwritten--undercharacterised, however) black character.

Also, Glenn is tapping more ass than any other guy on the show, so don't even go there about

"feminized" in the white popular imagination as asexual

And then turn around and say he's "granted" the privilege of a relationship with a white woman. You want him paired off with a POC? Because that would get singled out too. So either he's actually not getting any, he's sleeping with a minority, or he's sleeping with someone white. It can't all be racism, unless the solution is to only write white people.

So, pretty much, the valid race points (like how fucking white is the post-apocalypse and all those zombies are pretty white too) are going to be tarnished by reactionary stuff like that.

If it's a bad thing that Glenn's not a posturing macho shithead like the two male leads, then...where are we? Most of the fans I see discussing Rick and Shane think they're actually quite stupid. Not being written like them isn't a bad thing.

But, enh, I don't respect the show's writing or characterisation enough to defend it. I just think that they're leading with some flawed points.


Ginger - Mar 18, 2012 1:16:48 pm PDT #19717 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

(like how fucking white is the post-apocalypse and all those zombies are pretty white too)

I haven't seen much of the show, but what I've seen doesn't reflect the demographics. Much of metro Atlanta is majority black and the state is about a third black.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 6:08:44 pm PDT #19718 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hey, is that person who saved Andrea the much talked about character from the comics, you think?


Strix - Mar 18, 2012 6:09:22 pm PDT #19719 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I love The Walking Dead, but man, I want to slap characters ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Carl is a whiny brat, Lori -- cake and eat it too, you cannot. STFU.

Andrea -- I'm liking where she's getting to, but talk about some TSTL shit this season. MAN. I AM very happy with how badass she is getting to be.

Glenn -- love him.

Dale started to get....old.

Carol...I know you lost your baby, but she's...weird. I mean, of all of those guys, I would do my best to hook up with Darryl, racist upbringing aside (and I think he's losing any vestige of that purt quick) on a sheer least-jackass, most badass scale of survivor-dom. Not to mention BICEPS. But...

And I'm trying to keep in mind that the TSTL is a reflection of how real that would be in this situation. What's the time frame since Z-Day? Maybe...3 months? I mean, yes, it would be fabulous to have Joss write this, but he can't write everything, and the deal with TWD is perfectly ordinary people and how they deal with the zombie apocalypse. Yeah, Shane and Rick were deputies...for some podunk little town in Georgia. No one is a fucking superhero. There's no SEALs here, just people from wildly different backgrouns who are trying not to get eaten. PTSD, everyone's lost someone (yeah, Rick and Lori and Carl are an intact unit, but I'm sure they had parents and siblings, and well, Shane. And Shane and Rick were BFF's since high school!)

Everything is FUCKED UP. And most survivors of anything like this would be schmoes like them...or us. I can definitely buy a lot of the TSTL as actually realistic, because many people are dumb as rocks!

Also, if anyone watched the Talking Dead, we know we are getting at least one major character with a huge role next season played by an actor of color. I agree that for so close to ATL, the ratio of Black to White actors is off.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 6:15:09 pm PDT #19720 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, apparently everyone is a sharpshooter that shits ammo, though. They don't seem to waste bullets, and they talk about running out, but other than showing Andrea grab for them, I don't think they make that real enough.

They've become ninjas in short order, but still stayed really stupid.

How did Darryl suddenly stop being an offensive jackass? Did he wake up un-racist one morning? Does that really happen? I mean, one one hand people seem remarkably the same, and on the other, they seem totally different since the start, if you see what I mean. I can't tell the difference between why they changed and why they didn't.

I mean, seriously, is hanging out for T-Dog a cure, or is he just wearing the sheets as PJs? He just seems to have been totally redeemed without anything actually happening.


le nubian - Mar 18, 2012 6:24:10 pm PDT #19721 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I just can't imagine that so many people would be that stupid for that long.

It isn't like some of this is bad luck, or calculated risk.

It is fucking a-hole stupidity.

Yes, I watched "The Talking Dead" for the first time this season and the character in the hood is confirmed.


Strix - Mar 18, 2012 6:53:19 pm PDT #19722 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Well, apparently everyone is a sharpshooter that shits ammo, though. They don't seem to waste bullets, and they talk about running out, but other than showing Andrea grab for them, I don't think they make that real enough.

Yeah, I was a little irked by that -- I was like "Everyone's making' head shots from moving vehicles in the dark? WTF ever!"

How did Darryl suddenly stop being an offensive jackass? Did he wake up un-racist one morning? Does that really happen? I mean, one one hand people seem remarkably the same, and on the other, they seem totally different since the start, if you see what I mean. I can't tell the difference between why they changed and why they didn't.

I think Merle was his big bro and Darryl emulated him without thinking about it. And now his worldview is turned upside down, and he's not a stupid person. He and Glenn seemed to have developed a friendship, and I think this is the closest thing he's had to a family in forever (although, Darryl, man, hold out for a beter chick than Carol. Woman's been through some stuff, sure, but you need a partner, not a clinging vine o' crxy.

Oh! And remember when Darryl got stuck with the arrows and halluncinated Merle? He kinda lucid dreamed himself into flipping Merle, and all he stands for, the metaphoricl bloody bird.

For the first time, Darryl's part of a unit, and a unit with a mission -- and HE IS IMPORTANT to them. I can see a 180.

I AM tired of only one freakin' woman being on the hunter side rather than the nuture side. I'd side with Andrea. Despite SHOOTING DARRYL, YOU STUPID, COCKY WENCH. That was a face-slaping moment this season.

I can clean and organize and wash, and would, but I want my safety and fate to be in my control as much as possible. Especially -- let's break down that 4th wall -- if I had my family with me. My sister and I would be the badasses of the group, not D. Dad would probably be able teach us more gun use, and he has a plethora of dirty tricks from Army days. My mom? Oooh, not good. My mom would NOT BE HAPPY about a zombie apocalypse.

HELL YEAH, I'd be sucking it up and learning how to be the baddest bitch I can be. Save myself, save my friends, save my fam...the clothes can be dirty one more day.

I swear, I'm gonna write a zombie apocalypse book where a woman becomes the leader of a bunch of testosterone-driven males, and just dominates them and cuts of 1/2 of this bullshit dick-flanging.

Your dick ain't gonna kill a zombie! Put 'em back in your pants and get to work!

To be fair, seeming happiness of most of the women to be all Suzy Homemaker drives me batshit. Without their planning and organizing, things are screwed. i would be participatory. But I was all HELL YEAH to Andrea when she was all "Fuck the laundry; I am going to learn to go kill some zombie ass! And you chicas might wanna think about that too."

They DO need to find a ammo dump.

Damn, I AM going to cave over the summer and get the comics compilation, I just know it...


Dana - Mar 18, 2012 6:54:09 pm PDT #19723 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

I swear, I'm gonna write a zombie apocalypse book where a woman becomes the leader of a bunch of testosterone-driven males, and just dominates them and cuts of 1/2 of this bullshit dick-flanging.

Go read "Y: The Last Man."