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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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tiggy - Mar 11, 2012 5:36:02 pm PDT #19654 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Walking Dead

wheeeeeeee!!!! Shane died bloody!!!! also, WTF?! why are people coming back after dying? t his raises so many issues for the group.


Vortex - Mar 11, 2012 6:22:58 pm PDT #19655 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

why are people coming back after dying?

um, because they're zombies?


Polter-Cow - Mar 11, 2012 7:20:27 pm PDT #19656 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, but until now, it appeared that you had to be infected to become a zombie. Until a few weeks ago, it appeared you had to be bitten to be infected. Shane had had no zombie contact recently, and he still zombified, which has people speculating that what Jenner whispered to Rick in the CDC was that everyone was infected, everyone comes back (which is how it works in the Newsflesh universe anyway). I have no idea where that zombie horde came from, but that shot was awesome.

And the scene with Rick and Shane was one of the best of the series. It was about time Shane did more than rub his head and sneer, to paraphrase the A.V. Club reviewer. It was a long time coming, and, good God, he was just despicable by the end.

Comment of the Night goes to Weasels Ripped My Flesh:

Don't come back, Shane.


tiggy - Mar 12, 2012 2:04:12 am PDT #19657 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

thanks, P-C, for getting what i was saying.

I said the same thing about the scene between Rick and Shane. that was some beautiful cinematography. as was the walker horde! this show makes me so effing anxious!!

Don't come back, Shane.

ahahaha!!!!


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2012 5:39:24 am PDT #19658 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's apparently a sci fi show coming out based on the following premise:

a band of survivors struggle to navigate a world in which all forms of energy have mysteriously vanished

I can't believe people are arguing in defense of the premise, saying obviously they don't mean all, so stop being so literal.

Dude, it's your press release. If you can't actually explain your premise, why decide to jack up your premise? You just make it sound like your show will be based on crappy science. Like, worse than Primeval-science. You know the word "most", but you decided that "all" was better--it really makes me hope that JJ and Eric are bashing their heads against the wall moaning "WHY? WHY?" But, then again, it's Abrams and Kripke. I'm not actually expecting science to hold together here.


Jessica - Mar 12, 2012 5:42:29 am PDT #19659 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

a band of survivors struggle to navigate a world in which all forms of energy have mysteriously vanished

I assume because they're not dead that "all forms of energy" means all manmade forms, or something like that? Because if there's no sun, that's gonna be a pretty short pilot.

To paraphrase, a vague PR soundbite is nobody's friend.


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2012 5:50:06 am PDT #19660 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And, see, they could have said "most", and they could have said "manmade", and that would have generated discussion on "oh, what exactly does that encompass?" Instead of people looking at it and thinking "Oh, so there's no energy in their bodies, then, for starters? Short pilot."

It's so DUMB. And although I've greatly enjoyed work by Kripke (duh) and Abrams, neither of them give me the warm fuzzies about scientific plausibility.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2012 6:12:54 am PDT #19661 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I would laugh if the pilot debuted and it was just 42 minutes of silent black screen (yo, no energy means no light to see by or sound to listen to!).


Ginger - Mar 12, 2012 6:16:54 am PDT #19662 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It's titled Revolution. They're shooting it in Atlanta, so I've seen quite a few short articles about extras and who's here in town. In every single one, it's described as "a band of survivors struggle to navigate a world in which all forms of energy have mysteriously vanished." My eyes have been rolling painfully.

As someone on io9 noted, that's the basis for Stirling's Change series, which, despite my fondness for post-apocalypse fiction, I have not wanted to read since I saw the premise was explicitly based on changing the laws of physics. In that case, it's apparently manmade energy, including, dog help us, disabling gunpowder.

There are several series in which things like electricity and motors don't work, but magic does. That's the premise behind Stephen Boyett's Ariel, one of the worst books ever published.

Part of the concept can be done sanely, by having much of existing tech fried by some version of EMP. Raymond Jones' The Year When Stardust Fell, a book I loved as a kid, posits a substance from a comet that fuses the parts of any metal-metal friction, so ball bearings, motors and the like freeze.

I'm willing to buy almost any well-designed premise, but I insist on the laws of physics remaining the same.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2012 7:55:42 am PDT #19663 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know, I could see some situations (attack on laws of physics by magical forces, impingement of another dimension with different physical laws) doing some things along those lines. But you can't mess too much with the way basic electrical and mechanical forces work or it would make human and animal biology impossible as well.