Jinx? If you and Dreg have been using my moisturizer again I'm going to have to rip off your scaly- hey, what's the deal with your face?

Glory ,'Potential'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Jessica - Mar 12, 2012 5:42:29 am PDT #19659 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

a band of survivors struggle to navigate a world in which all forms of energy have mysteriously vanished

I assume because they're not dead that "all forms of energy" means all manmade forms, or something like that? Because if there's no sun, that's gonna be a pretty short pilot.

To paraphrase, a vague PR soundbite is nobody's friend.


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2012 5:50:06 am PDT #19660 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And, see, they could have said "most", and they could have said "manmade", and that would have generated discussion on "oh, what exactly does that encompass?" Instead of people looking at it and thinking "Oh, so there's no energy in their bodies, then, for starters? Short pilot."

It's so DUMB. And although I've greatly enjoyed work by Kripke (duh) and Abrams, neither of them give me the warm fuzzies about scientific plausibility.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2012 6:12:54 am PDT #19661 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I would laugh if the pilot debuted and it was just 42 minutes of silent black screen (yo, no energy means no light to see by or sound to listen to!).


Ginger - Mar 12, 2012 6:16:54 am PDT #19662 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It's titled Revolution. They're shooting it in Atlanta, so I've seen quite a few short articles about extras and who's here in town. In every single one, it's described as "a band of survivors struggle to navigate a world in which all forms of energy have mysteriously vanished." My eyes have been rolling painfully.

As someone on io9 noted, that's the basis for Stirling's Change series, which, despite my fondness for post-apocalypse fiction, I have not wanted to read since I saw the premise was explicitly based on changing the laws of physics. In that case, it's apparently manmade energy, including, dog help us, disabling gunpowder.

There are several series in which things like electricity and motors don't work, but magic does. That's the premise behind Stephen Boyett's Ariel, one of the worst books ever published.

Part of the concept can be done sanely, by having much of existing tech fried by some version of EMP. Raymond Jones' The Year When Stardust Fell, a book I loved as a kid, posits a substance from a comet that fuses the parts of any metal-metal friction, so ball bearings, motors and the like freeze.

I'm willing to buy almost any well-designed premise, but I insist on the laws of physics remaining the same.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2012 7:55:42 am PDT #19663 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know, I could see some situations (attack on laws of physics by magical forces, impingement of another dimension with different physical laws) doing some things along those lines. But you can't mess too much with the way basic electrical and mechanical forces work or it would make human and animal biology impossible as well.


-t - Mar 12, 2012 8:04:28 am PDT #19664 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I can't even formulate my reaction to that premise properly. I think it might convey negative information.


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2012 9:29:25 am PDT #19665 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So, apparently, not only do they not mean "all", they don't mean "energy". Seriously "they" should just give up using English. There is a point at which metonymy approaches gibberish. And it doesn't have as much place in science fiction premises as it does in other pieces of text.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 12, 2012 9:35:39 am PDT #19666 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

If not energy, then what?


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2012 9:42:36 am PDT #19667 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Things like energy. Things regulated by Energy Commissions. You know fossil fuels, and non-fossil fuels, and renewable resources, and, you know.

Why are you asking me? You're evidently expected to already have communed this information directly from the group mind.


Tom Scola - Mar 12, 2012 9:44:38 am PDT #19668 of 30001
hwæt

So it's not a series about the heat death of the Universe?