Well, lady, I must say-- You're my kinda stupid.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2012 1:44:27 pm PST #19565 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

In Boxed Set, anything can happen as long as the show's universe hasn't declared it illegal yet, pretty much.

So you were arguing against ANY "it can't be"? OK then. Never mind as I do my best Emily Litella.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2012 1:47:34 pm PST #19566 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have no idea what an Emily Litella is.

Basically, if the premise is that it has to be that there's no supernatural or "alternative" "scientific" explanation for the show, it's not actually on topic for the thread, is it?


Zenkitty - Mar 04, 2012 2:06:33 pm PST #19567 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

For all we know, he's the only one that died in the crash, and this is his Jacob's Ladder/Life on Mars moment as he winks out of life. It's so far just as supportable by the text, and even moreso, if information flows both way between red world and green world.

After rewatching, I'm tending to go with this, that he's the one who actually died/is in a coma, and neither Red nor Green is real. That he can't remember what lead up to the accident, that his blood alcohol level was elevated but he is certain he wasn't drinking, and that we weren't shown anything at all about the accident until the car went off the road, are all pointing to the cause of the accident being a key to what's happening.

His panic when he woke up and they were BOTH gone and he couldn't find his bracelet is, I think, also telling. In all this weirdness that's the only time he broke down or even appeared upset or frightened. Otherwise he's strangely calm, like he's just resigned to whatever happens next. I know he's numb with grief, and he's the strong stoic type, but that was the only time he himself seemed alive.

I HAVE TOO MANY THINKS. This could become "Lost" levels of obsession.

I may change my mind as the series goes on. I have no idea what the writers have in mind, and I don't care how they make it happen, as long as THEY know what they're doing.


Zenkitty - Mar 04, 2012 2:11:44 pm PST #19568 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Oh, wait, I'm wrong - the other time he started to panic was when Lady Shrink had him randomly read part of the Constitution. For a minute he believed that world was the real one and therefore he'd really lost one of them. Except that's not a valid test, which any shrink should know. If it's a dream, he could totally believe he'd read the Constitution even if he'd been reciting Dr. Seuss lines.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 04, 2012 2:13:21 pm PST #19569 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I have no idea what an Emily Litella is.

A Gilda Radner character on old-school SNL. She always got shit wrong, like I did.


Vonnie K - Mar 04, 2012 3:02:56 pm PST #19570 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

The pilot didn't blow me away or anything, but I'm mostly wading in the shallow end of the pool, where I enjoy looking at Jason Isaacs mangsting in existential crisis.

The procedural aspect is going to be tougher to swallow, but the season preview seems to hint at some kind of a story arc. I'll keep it in my season pass list for now.


JenP - Mar 04, 2012 4:03:26 pm PST #19571 of 30001

Yeah, I've had dreams where I (perceive that I) speak perfect, fluent French. I do not, in this reality, do that. So he shouldn't worry about the Constitution.

I liked it enough to keep watching and am not bothered that the pilot is confusing -- I kind of feel like we're supposed to feel his disorientation, too, and I'm cool with that.


DebetEsse - Mar 04, 2012 5:21:16 pm PST #19572 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

The ability to read things and not have the text stay the same is one of the things that people use to trigger awareness that they're dreaming when trying to achieve lucid dreaming, as text tends to not be stable in dreams.


Polter-Cow - Mar 04, 2012 5:26:53 pm PST #19573 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I learned that from an episode of Batman: The Animated Series.


tiggy - Mar 04, 2012 5:30:58 pm PST #19574 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Walking Dead

why oh why couldn't it have been Shane? also Carl is as stupid as his mommy. argh!