But her getting up is perfectly expectable, isn't it?

It's not a shocking turn of events that she should get up first, I suppose. But I can see how it would trigger panic.

Yeah, I think cutting his hand was meant to either wake him up or prove to himself that he was awake. Possibly it actually triggered his subconscious to change the dream, if he was at that point dreaming, but I think he was trying to use it like Sam does in SPN.

Have not seen "Awake" but the discussion means I'll probably catch it on rebroadcast. Tuesday?

Yup, Tuesday on Syfy at 11 Eastern, looks like.

it's got to be that he doesn't perceive sleep

That's a weird thing to say in Boxed Set. Why do you think so?

Is anything really a weird thing to say in Boxed Set apart from, say, sports talk?

Is anything really a weird thing to say in Boxed Set apart from, say, sports talk?

Assuming that there's only one, non-paranormal or alt-science explanation is weird in Boxed Set, weirder than sports. This is the thread where Sliders would go, right?

OK, can't find the original context for the quote about "it's got be" so I got nothing but that I can't imagine why that would be a weird statement in this thread. If it was an argument it belonged in procedurals, then I can understand.

No, if it were an argument in Procedurals, then I'd totally understand it. It was assuming there was no alternative explanation for what was happening. It assumed nothing other than what we know about our universe right now, which was why I was surprised.

In Boxed Set, anything can happen as long as the show's universe hasn't declared it illegal yet, pretty much.

In Boxed Set, anything can happen as long as the show's universe hasn't declared it illegal yet, pretty much.

So you were arguing against ANY "it can't be"? OK then. Never mind as I do my best Emily Litella.

I have no idea what an Emily Litella is.

Basically, if the premise is that it has to be that there's no supernatural or "alternative" "scientific" explanation for the show, it's not actually on topic for the thread, is it?

For all we know, he's the only one that died in the crash, and this is his Jacob's Ladder/Life on Mars moment as he winks out of life. It's so far just as supportable by the text, and even moreso, if information flows both way between red world and green world.

After rewatching, I'm tending to go with this, that he's the one who actually died/is in a coma, and neither Red nor Green is real. That he can't remember what lead up to the accident, that his blood alcohol level was elevated but he is certain he wasn't drinking, and that we weren't shown anything at all about the accident until the car went off the road, are all pointing to the cause of the accident being a key to what's happening.

His panic when he woke up and they were BOTH gone and he couldn't find his bracelet is, I think, also telling. In all this weirdness that's the only time he broke down or even appeared upset or frightened. Otherwise he's strangely calm, like he's just resigned to whatever happens next. I know he's numb with grief, and he's the strong stoic type, but that was the only time he himself seemed alive.

I HAVE TOO MANY THINKS. This could become "Lost" levels of obsession.

I may change my mind as the series goes on. I have no idea what the writers have in mind, and I don't care how they make it happen, as long as THEY know what they're doing.

Oh, wait, I'm wrong - the other time he started to panic was when Lady Shrink had him randomly read part of the Constitution. For a minute he believed that world was the real one and therefore he'd really lost one of them. Except that's not a valid test, which any shrink should know. If it's a dream, he could totally believe he'd read the Constitution even if he'd been reciting Dr. Seuss lines.