And Kaylee, what the hell's goin' on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


sumi - Mar 04, 2012 10:57:36 am PST #19544 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I love that the premise is complicated enough that it alone generates lots of discussion.

I feel like I don't know enough yet to make a decision about what is going on.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2012 10:58:04 am PST #19545 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Different perp in each reality. If Wilmer was in both, I missed it in my confusion, but it was definitely a different perp. Different actors. I assume he's going to continue to encounter different people since he's going to keep doing different things--it doesn't make any practical sense otherwise--how could he *only* see the same people if he's going to be on different cases with different victims, etc?

I only recall one psychiatrist doing a test to prove that they were real, but my point is that since they're both saying they're real, the fact that their words are the same is kinda irrelevant, since they both can't be right *all the way through*. As in, I guess, if they were on Fox, they could both be real, but that would mean the other person wouldn't be unreal, like they do also say.

Okay, the language for this is difficult to type, so I'm going to assume it's difficult to understand.

It's still on my TiVo. I think I'm going to watch it again. And if what you're saying is true, I'll probably drop it, because that's uninteresting to me. It's in conflicty time slot, and it wouldn't be worth the effort to track it down.


Dana - Mar 04, 2012 11:00:29 am PST #19546 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Wilmer was in the beginning of the green reality, still in uniform.


-t - Mar 04, 2012 11:00:45 am PST #19547 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Wilmer was in uniform at the crime scene where the partner is the other guy. I think. It was only a couple of seconds.


le nubian - Mar 04, 2012 11:03:26 am PST #19548 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

t, okay I missed that. thanks.


sumi - Mar 04, 2012 11:26:58 am PST #19549 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, okay. Missed that.

I may have to rewatch too. It seems that the details may matter.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2012 11:27:12 am PST #19550 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So if I was going to be pretty simplistic about it, I'd say the fact that he saw Wilmer for the first time in the Red universe and *then* for the first time in Green, would give ammunition to Reg being real, if one is real and the other is false. But Green has the constitution test.

They're not doing the mechanics any favours for the OCD by intercutting between the sessions that way, because it makes it harder to be sure about the hows and whens of every transition. Because that's for narrative impact, as opposed to being in the sequence that he experienced it.

But the Wilmer thing was clearly in sequence, because he was surprised to see him the second time.


-t - Mar 04, 2012 11:32:43 am PST #19551 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Right? The way the narrative is relayed to us is not helping me understand the mechanics at all. But I am okay with that for being only one episode in. I do hope that gets clearer, though. Then again, I am assuming both are real until proven otherwise.

Of course, the problem with the Constitution test is - how can he know he's getting it right while he's reading it? We can know, I guess, but really that could be explained as his brain "randomly" choosing a passage that he happens to have filed away from Civics class or whatever.


§ ita § - Mar 04, 2012 11:45:51 am PST #19552 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I went back and read the IO9 recap to see if anyone seemed sure the way some of you are here, and asked again there, and it's not a prevailing opinion that one's fake and one's real. There, if anything, the group decision seems to be that they're both fake and he's in a coma and hallucinating both, but seriously--are they gonna go *that* LoM?

I think it's interesting that he's being so open about it. That's different. He's told both therapists the truth, and even his wife. And she is playing into it, in a way. Dropping us into the middle of the action was a nice touch too, so we didn't have to see hi, struggling with coming to terms with it, or choosing bands, or his wife's confusion so much...

It's a man, in the middle of a problem.


Typo Boy - Mar 04, 2012 11:55:28 am PST #19553 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Have not seen "Awake" but the discussion means I'll probably catch it on rebroadcast. Tuesday?