For the record, Pinocchio isn't a fairy tale. (even if there's technically a fairy in it. Same for Peter Pan.) I just get peeved when people (not you, just in general) mis-classify stuff like that.

And I didn't recognize Groener either.

For the record, Pinocchio isn't a fairy tale.

Neither is 101 Dalmations, but they still went there with the name of Jiminy's dog. I think ABC is basically milking its Disney connections for all they're worth.

Even though it has its issues, I'm very much enjoying Once Upon a Time so far.

Yeah, I agree with Anne. They are mixing up all kinds of shit and myth and legend. I'm ready for Aesop to show up.

Neither is 101 Dalmations, but they still went there with the name of Jiminy's dog.

Having a Basselmatian, my eyes instantly latched onto the dog and I had to chuckle over the name. Then, I waited for the inevitable further cliches...fire truck-check! The only things they missed were the 'night howl' and "He's got lots of pups."

FTR, I did recognize Groener, mostly because I have a thing for voices.

This episode was the most riveting to me thus far. I hope that means the writing will continue to improve.

The other annoying thing about last night's Walking Dead: Shane couldn't shoot the girl? Really? That seemed totally unlikely.

I'm sure he could shoot her, but I figured everyone was letting Rick do it since Sophie had been his responsibility, and he was the one keeping everyone there out of guilt. Although I wondered if they would let Carol do it.

The only way that I could have been more surprised if it had been Otis staggering out of the barn...

or Merle....

BTW, the Talking Dead show right after is a genius move on some executives part, delivered at the moment that I most want to talk/think about the episode and carried out in a fun way. Last night I especially laughed at Greg Nicotero's gift to the host, a replica of Daryl's ear necklace.

I would have been surprised, honestly but I came across a spoiler on an unrelated video a few days before so I knew the ending. But my mom didn't see it coming and said, "well, what did they expect? She's been gone so long." Heh. Like she was watching an episode of Law and Order. Mom doesn't do sci fi or fantasy.

I thought the final scene was incredibly moving with shooting Hershel's wife in front of him, the firing squad of the characters we care about forming to take down the walkers. Also the two mothers on the ground, Lori holding a crying Carl and Daryl holding a crying Carol. Andrea got to be her bad ass self.

BTW, the Talking Dead show right after is a genius move on some executives part, delivered at the moment that I most want to talk/think about the episode and carried out in a fun way. Last night I especially laughed at Greg Nicotero's gift to the host, a replica of Daryl's ear necklace.

They know their audience, don't they? It was a geek's wet dream. Alice Cooper being all fan boy on the phone. The ear necklace. Seeing the behind the scenes. Lori Holden calling in and saying not to hate her because she shot Daryl, because she really loves Daryl. Norman Reedus (Daryl) reacting to that. Norman's story about the actress that played Sophia telling people he was her boyfriend. I was dying from the cute. That was a great night of TV.

My favorite part was in Talking Dead though when they showed the filming of that scene and the other actors all running over to give her a hug after it was over.

Rick had to do it, because it was his fault, beyond his control maybe, that she was lost. He made them stay to look for her. If he was going to be leader of the group, he had to step up and do it. Now he is going to be the only one of them that hates himself.

I just watched the latest Fringe. Right in the middle of appreciating the call back to Olivia fussing with her hair before going to see Peter at the end of Jacksonville my reactions suddenly shifted to, "What the hell? Wait...no..no...is that cortexiphan? Holy fucking shit, Nina!"

Dude. I was so flail free until that moment. The Lincoln & Peter friendship is kind of adorable though.

Oh, oh, oh! And there was a Violet Sedan Chair song! I love that song.

Thoughts on OUAT - everything seems to start from the Disney version. They may be deconstructed, informed by more authentic stories but they start where possible from Disney. I suspect the meta reason suggested is part of it, but it is also part of the story telling.

Something interesting about the curse. With some exceptions the curse turns people into what it seems like they would most hate to be, and yet their true selves often shine through and mitigate that.

Snow White was a bad-ass in the otherrealm, so in this one she is a demure teacher of children. Yet she really seems to like the children, be good at teaching, and even if she has no talent for physical violence in our world (or none that she knows of) is a badass teacher.

Or Red Riding Hood was "good girl" in the other world, so she is dressed in hootchie outfits in ours, and from what she let slip is sexually active. Yet her "goodness" was also based on kindness in the story. She brought goodies to Grandma who probably really needed them in spite of knowing traveling through the woods was risky. And in our world she is still generous, kind, loyal to friends and taking risks to help them. The curse defined "good" too narrowly, by the culture of the otherworld rather than by ours.

Even before Emma came to town, people's true natures were pushing back against the curse.