Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?

Wash ,'Serenity'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Kate P. - Sep 11, 2011 7:15:22 am PDT #18081 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I also really loved Amy's speech about some people being so beautiful when you first meet them, but then five minutes later they're dull as brick. Whereas other people are just OK, but as you get to know them their personality makes them beautiful.

Me too, zuisa. That really resonated with me.

Yeah, Future!Amy was fantastic. (Though I kind of wish they'd let her hair start going grey. I know it's pretty much impossible to convincingly age someone 36 years through makeup, but the lack of grey hair didn't help.)


Nora Deirdre - Sep 11, 2011 8:38:18 am PDT #18082 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Matt Smith was talking so damned fast I missed a lot of it.

This happens with me pretty much every episode.


Polter-Cow - Sep 11, 2011 12:33:13 pm PDT #18083 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ergh, that episode was so good. Like, even though, intellectually, all I could think was "Uh, of course you keep the Amy who DIDN'T live through hell and spare her that," the ending was very powerful and made me want to cry for reals.


zuisa - Sep 11, 2011 1:12:00 pm PDT #18084 of 30001
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

I did cry for reals. It was rough.

I also felt so bad for The Doctor - always having to make difficult decisions that people dislike. He knows they are necessary and yet he hates himself for it anyway.

I know that companions don't really have the greatest track record for getting happy endings on this show, but I really don't know if I'll be able to cope with anything bad happening to Amy or Rory at this point. I love them both something fierce.

Once in a while I feel like I need to remind myself that these are, in fact, fictional characters.


Consuela - Sep 11, 2011 1:14:17 pm PDT #18085 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Skimmity-skim because I haven't watched the episode yet-- y'all might get a kick out of these adorable icons for DW, SGA, SG-1, ATLA, and a bunch of other fandoms. Pentapus is SO talented.

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tommyrot - Sep 11, 2011 1:16:01 pm PDT #18086 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I know that companions don't really have the greatest track record for getting happy endings on this show, but I really don't know if I'll be able to cope with anything bad happening to Amy or Rory at this point. I love them both something fierce.

Yeah, quite a lot of bad stuff has happened to Amy and Rory in the last two years. I wouldn't be surprised if they just said, "We're not doing this anymore." Except, you know, for the part about them being fictional characters whose destinies are controlled by Stephen Moffat.


Anne W. - Sep 11, 2011 1:26:50 pm PDT #18087 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just said, "We're not doing this anymore."

Neither would I.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 11, 2011 5:05:32 pm PDT #18088 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I loved the episode and it made me tear up a whole lot, but...

I might be a better person than Amy Pond, but I'm not better than Rory, because I'd surely have gone "Honey? 2000 years? IJS."

ita - you are not alone. I would have thought the Doctor would have thrown it in her face as a reminder if nothing else. I could see Rory not being willing too especially, as someone else pointed out, Rory signed on for the waiting (though not for the Centurion immortality, it must be said). But I kept saying (cue Jeremy Piven in Grosse Pointe Blanke) - "TWO THOUSAND YEARS?!?! TWO! TWO! TWO THOUSAND YEARS!?!?!"


WindSparrow - Sep 11, 2011 5:47:42 pm PDT #18089 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I wonder if Rory didn't bring it up, not only because he's a really good guy and doesn't throw things in people's faces, but also because he did grok the difference in signing on to wait, willingly and knowingly, versus expecting rescue at any moment. It's the expecting that gets you. How many months, how many years did Amy spend wondering if the noise she just heard on the other side of the door was a handbot or the Doctor? It's stressful to do that for a day or two - but as the months dragged on, it would have been hell.


§ ita § - Sep 11, 2011 6:19:30 pm PDT #18090 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Pretty sure if I waited 2000 years, I'm not even picking up around the house.

"Uh, honey, picked up around you for millennia. My feet hurt."