No power in the 'verse can stop me.

River ,'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Polter-Cow - Apr 30, 2011 6:21:17 pm PDT #16858 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Her spin move was great, but there was no explanation for how she was able to shoot the Silent behind her, unless she saw it in a reflection or something.


Fiona - Apr 30, 2011 9:28:06 pm PDT #16859 of 30001

The beginning of that episode was fantastic. I loved River's dive into the Tardis's swimming pool. (Which also saved her a few weeks in a body bag - clever River).

I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened in the warehouse? That was one hell of an ellipsis. One which seems to have affected Amy's pregnancy in some timey-wimey way.

We've GOT to see Canton again, haven't we? I'll be very upset if we don't.


aurelia - Apr 30, 2011 10:12:23 pm PDT #16860 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

OMG, I love Fringe. Even though I have no idea what happened at the end there. For some reason I think Peter was still in the blueverse, though I couldn't begin to explain why. Or why it was suddenly 10 or more years into the future. Did anyone else notice he was wearing a wedding ring?

Even though the promos said only one universe would survive, I'm wondering if that's not true and the war between universes became much more conventional during the time gap. Otherwise, that battle that Peter woke to seems pretty random.

I hope we get more backstory on why the hell the machine was created in the first place.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 30, 2011 10:49:47 pm PDT #16861 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

The entire portion in the nursing home was one of the creepiest things ever.

I was more terrified by that than by anything Moffat's ever come up with before. The concept that Amy could have been there forever, turning back to the window every couple of seconds and not knowing how long she'd been doing that - UGH.

So many awesome moments. I don't think I've ever liked a Doctor Who second-parter so much. They're often a let down. This one fulfilled the promise of the first.

I'm interested in the child, but more excited by the River story. Are we going to get to a point where we meet her younger self, played by someone else? She seems to be suggesting that she first met the Doctor when she was very young.

We still haven't solved a lot of the mysteries, which is fun. Are we supposed to assume that the 'astronaut' that kills the Doctor is Amy's child, or is that a red herring? (We did learn that the suit could walk on its own.) Did he send the message to himself and the others because he knew that what was happened? How is it all linked to the exploding TARDIS that first returned to Amy's house? Ooh, I'm excited for the rest of this season.


aurelia - Apr 30, 2011 11:59:32 pm PDT #16862 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Okay, I just watched the aired preview for next week.

I think this 15 years in the future thing is Peter's experience while he is in the machine (aided by an Observer maybe?). He's seeing a possible future (of merged universes?). Presumably that will lead to him making some kind of choice about what the machine does.

I really hope we end up with both red and blue. Losing the blue side is so very much not an option (there could be riots!) and Fauxlivia can't die in lockup. So says I.

Whatever happens, I don't see them aging the stars of the show for the entirety of season 4.


quester - May 01, 2011 3:46:30 am PDT #16863 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I'm with you, aurelia! After I saw the promo for next week, I have to revise my theory.

I'm still confused as to why Peter was so confused when he woke up.


Theodosia - May 01, 2011 3:51:50 am PDT #16864 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Peter being confused does square with the idea that he was temporarily in the persona of a Peter from a universe that was never split.

I didn't notice the wedding band in the future segment. They did a good job of aging the actor just enough -- a little can do a lot.

(I get confused -- why are the 'verses color coded, and which is which?)


Calli - May 01, 2011 3:58:26 am PDT #16865 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I thought Amy and Canton had a nice Mulder and Scully vibe in the nursing home. Possibly it was just the effect of Amy's red hair and dark pantsuit.


Juliebird - May 01, 2011 4:08:03 am PDT #16866 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I'm seriously hoping that the hero of Canton is a recurring guest star --beyond being instructed to bring a can of gasoline when he's 80. I'm still seriously impressed that Mark was given such a wonderful role where he isn't a sleazy but likable villain. Love love love that the issues with his wanting to be married was both interracial and gay. Nipped that argument right in the bud!

But, seriously looking forward to seeing more of his character later in the season.

The rest was fantastic but makes my head hurt to think about. Except for where I adore how the angst between Rory and Amy was also nipped in the bud. God, his face when she called it stupid, so wonderful.


quester - May 01, 2011 4:09:42 am PDT #16867 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

(I get confused -- why are the 'verses color coded, and which is which?)

Blue is the original 'verse we got to know. Red is the "other" universe with Walternate and red haired Fauxlivia, and is the one where Peter was born.