Wash: So, two days in a hospital? That's awful. Don't you just hate doctors? Simon: Hey. Wash: I mean, present company excluded. Jayne: Let's not be excluding people. That'd be rude.

'Ariel'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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aurelia - Feb 13, 2011 7:39:21 am PST #15916 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Honesstly, I've been cringing this whole season everytime Olivia stops in the middle of an investigation to discuss feelings with Peter.

I can only think of two times this has happened. "Do you still think about her" and "I owe you an apology." The apology scene was a little awkward with so many people around, but I think it was placed there to contrast Peter's blatant lying.

the way we discover which universe gets to survive is which Olivia Peter chooses?

I would be surprised if it turns out to be a simple as this. Sam Weiss is rarely that straightforward. And then there was the Easter Egg in Over There that said, " Don't trust Sam Weiss ."


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2011 8:08:57 am PST #15917 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm convinced this is the most consistent show JJ has ever been associated with. That can't last, can it?

Well, the bar's not high, but they take a pretty decent shift from getting from where they started to where they are right now. The change from original premise of a) Walter caused every monster of the week and b) it's all monsters of the week to get to the epic battle between parallel universes is quite a big one.

Good choice though.

However, looking like love will save the world? Cute on Supernatural. Kinda weird here.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 13, 2011 8:34:07 am PST #15918 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

The change from original premise of a) Walter caused every monster of the week and b) it's all monsters of the week to get to the epic battle between parallel universes is quite a big one.

Heh. This almost sounds like the shift that Dollhouse took, minus the toxic opening premise Joss decided to play with and was forced to play with longer than he wanted.


le nubian - Feb 13, 2011 11:52:53 am PST #15919 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The change from original premise of a) Walter caused every monster of the week and b) it's all monsters of the week to get to the epic battle between parallel universes is quite a big one.

Can I muse over this for a second? Isn't "a" still in effect? By implication, all of these MOTW are from his actions, but do you mean we aren't reminded of that fact every week?


§ ita § - Feb 13, 2011 12:10:15 pm PST #15920 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It used to be "I did that experiment and now it's rogue." for about a season. Now it's bigger reaching--they're fighting against things Walternate's doing for instance.


quester - Feb 13, 2011 12:13:34 pm PST #15921 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I think Sam Weiss is not being straightforward. I think he planted the idea with Nina to achieve some specific outcome that really doesn't hinge on Peter, but might hinge on Nina. He is never straightforward!


Liese S. - Feb 13, 2011 12:19:19 pm PST #15922 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

If I start this show now, I'm going to be really really confused, aren't I?


quester - Feb 13, 2011 12:20:56 pm PST #15923 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

le nubian - Feb 13, 2011 12:53:34 pm PST #15924 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Liese,

I would encourage you to start at the beginning. The first few episodes are slow going, but then there is a payoff that made viewing quite rewarding. I think this happens around episode 4-6. After that, I was pretty hooked.

The show rewards viewers for viewing episodes in order from the beginning - generally speaking.


aurelia - Feb 13, 2011 1:24:40 pm PST #15925 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Leise, before mid-season 2 I would've told you to just jump in, but now I'm going to suggest DVDs. It is an excellent show for marathoning.