Oh my god. What can it be? We're all doomed! Who's flying this thing!? Oh right, that would be me. Back to work.

Wash ,'Bushwhacked'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Theodosia - Nov 08, 2010 11:40:19 am PST #14667 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I could argue either way -- on the pro side of A World Without Zombie Movies, none of the characters can be faulted for not immediately running to the nearest Blockbuster and familiarizing themselves with ideas that do or don't work, not to mention books like The Zombie Survival Manual. Nor will there be smart-ass characters making in-jokes about Romero movies.

On the meta side, the producers have less of a chance for getting sued for copyright violation by overzealous legal departments.

Speaking of stories copying other stories... according to a commenter on Alan Sepinwall's review of the first episode, in fact the original graphic novel had been written/drawn prior to the release of 28 Days Later so the plot of "comatose survivor wakes up in hospital after zombie apocalypse" wasn't copycatting.


Polter-Cow - Nov 08, 2010 11:50:48 am PST #14668 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

according to a commenter on Alan Sepinwall's review of the first episode, in fact the original graphic novel had been written/drawn prior to the release of 28 Days Later so the plot of "comatose survivor wakes up in hospital after zombie apocalypse" wasn't copycatting.

In Kirkman's own words:

Welcome to my life seven years ago. It was complete coincidence. I saw 28 Days Later shortly before the first issue of Walking Dead was released. That first issue came out in October of 2003 and 28 Days Later was released in the States in June of 2003. So we were working on our second issue by the time I saw it. It was going to be a matter of somehow trying to restage the entire first issue, because it was a very similar coma opening. I made a decision—which I pretty much regret at this point—I said, “You know what? It’s so different [from that point on], I will probably never hear anything about this.” And I was wrong.

In any case, they're both inspired by Day of the Triffids, I hear.

the author of the graphic novels says that there is no zombie entertainment or myths prior to the event. so that's why they call them walkers, etc.

There's no other explanation for their not referring to the things as zombies, really. It takes some getting used to.


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2010 11:53:55 am PST #14669 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We're too quick to call everything zombies. 28 Days Later? Not zombies. Reanimated corpses--zombies.


Allyson - Nov 08, 2010 11:59:45 am PST #14670 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Which made 28 Days Later interesting, because eventually the infected would die. With zombies, you have to wait until they rot too badly to be able to do much in the way of lurching after you.


Daisy Jane - Nov 08, 2010 12:05:25 pm PST #14671 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

28 Days Later? Not zombies. Reanimated corpses--zombies.

My boss would love you.


Jars - Nov 08, 2010 12:05:40 pm PST #14672 of 30001

With zombies, you have to wait until they rot too badly to be able to do much in the way of lurching after you.

Yeah this is one of my issues with a lot of zombie stuff. After a month or two, most of the muscles and ligaments you need to move will have rotted away, so if you are a reanimated corpse, you're a reanimated corpse who's a pile on the ground, which is a bit less scary.

The Walking Dead comics have covered a way longer period than it would take for the zombies to fall apart, I think. I'd be happy enough if there was some handwavium about the virus preventing muscle decay or someting though; I'm pretty easy.


Allyson - Nov 08, 2010 12:15:06 pm PST #14673 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

They'd also be pooping everywhere, since what goes in must come out, or stay rotting in the stomach and eventually bursting, which is sort of like pooping but out of your belly button instead of your bum.

There's a whole lot of disbelief suspending with zombies.

I did go to a "science of zombies" panel with a neurologist, a mathematician specializing in virus outbreaks (specifically HIV), George Romero, and Max Brooks. They talked about zombie biology and how it would all work, and what the infection rate would be. Was pretty neat.


Theodosia - Nov 08, 2010 12:17:23 pm PST #14674 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

That's one of the reasons why I appreciated them spending so much time on the legless zombie in the first episode, because that clued us in that the Rules Are Different.

I suppose in the Walking Deadverse, 'zombies' are an obscure legend of Haitian voodoo lore that nobody is going to think of to label their geeks with.


Strega - Nov 08, 2010 12:32:22 pm PST #14675 of 30001

It's weird, right?

Isn't that traditional? Most of the zombie movies (and comics & books) I've seen avoid having characters use the word. At the moment the exceptions I can think of veer toward comedy.

Maybe it's because they're a modern monster... I think it's problematic for the characters to live in a world with zombie stories. It'd make everything they do or say into an evaluation of their taste in zombie media, which: barf.


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2010 12:33:40 pm PST #14676 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They've been in pop culture for almost a century, though. Maybe it's being PC?