OK, so the version of Jack stuck back in 1947 left a message for the present, and presumably grew old and died. Present day Jack got the message, changed history. So neither he nor Grant ever went back in time. So how did the message get left? Also while in the past when did Grant find time to make the investment? And why was it intact? After he had disappeared for seven years, wasn't he legally declared dead, with it reverting to his heirs? And once he did not travel back in time, how did the investment get made anyway?
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Typo Boy - Sep 11, 2010 8:24:37 am PDT #14207 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 11, 2010 8:35:57 am PDT #14208 of 30001
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I think Carter and Grant both had machinery that was set to fling them forward back in 1947, and that flicker we saw where their clothing changed in Beverly's secret lair was them returning to the present and replacing or overwriting their new timeline selves.
§ ita § - Sep 11, 2010 8:39:02 am PDT #14209 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I've decided all of Matt's answers are the right ones, and will take his word over Colin's at this point.
Typo Boy - Sep 11, 2010 8:40:48 am PDT #14210 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
That certainly makes as much sense as any time travel scenario can.
Jessica - Sep 11, 2010 11:04:37 am PDT #14211 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I think Carter and Grant both had machinery that was set to fling them forward back in 1947, and that flicker we saw where their clothing changed in Beverly's secret lair was them returning to the present and replacing or overwriting their new timeline selves.
That's what I assumed too, since they were talking in 1947 about the beacons being about to activate.
The problem with that is that their first plan depended on changing history so Beverly didn't steal the DED in the first place, in which case there wouldn't be a time-travel doohickey to send them back. (Which I assume is why that plan failed on a universe-trying-to-avoid-a-paradox level, but you'd think Grant would have considered it!)
I enjoyed the ep overall, but single-loop time travel stories make me so cranky. At least I knew where this one was going ahead of time so I could steel myself for the inevitable eye-rolling.
Jon B. - Sep 11, 2010 11:20:06 am PDT #14212 of 30001
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I was relieved about one thing: I thought that Jack would get to Allison in 1947 to warn her, but in doing so would accidentally prevent her from kissing the other 1947 Jack. Jack would return to the present and find that Allison was alive but that they had never hooked up. Cue sad trombone. Anyway, I'm glad that didn't happen.
-t - Sep 11, 2010 11:21:39 am PDT #14213 of 30001
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Grant had to cobble together the return to the present gewgaws the first time, right? Because that was all unplanned. So he knew how to make one out of 1947 tech and Eureka cell phones. Presumably, he'd have time to call a broker and set up his investments while Carter changed the recording he knew he'd listen to in the present.
Why the first trip made for lots of changes and the second trip made only the changes they intended to make I have no clue. But I am okay with that.
-t - Sep 11, 2010 11:22:37 am PDT #14214 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Yeah, Jon, I thought that was where they were heading and am glad it's not where they went.
Jessica - Sep 11, 2010 11:26:16 am PDT #14215 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Jack would return to the present and find that Allison was alive but that they had never hooked up.
I was assuming this would happen too, and very relieved that it didn't. (I was joking with DH in the beginning of the ep that every time Jack and Allison sleep together, the timeline gets rewritten.)
sumi - Sep 11, 2010 12:58:15 pm PDT #14216 of 30001
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Caprica: promos - also, it looks like dvds are coming out on October 5th too.
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