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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Shir - Jun 20, 2010 9:31:11 am PDT #13391 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Oh, Fiona, yes: THAT scene. YES.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jun 20, 2010 9:49:45 am PDT #13392 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

UK Doctor Who: I am speechless. There are no words. Now that I'm thinking back, no element of that was particularly amazing in isolation (except River's Doctor, facing down entire races of attacking aliens in starships full of weapons. That and the timey-wimey with the Doctor going *into* the box). But my goodness - what an episode in combination. Eleven as witty as ever ("Cyber-arm. Arm of Cyberman") even when facing mortal danger. Amy and Rory adorable and tragic and the ongoing Minear-ing of the writing very WTF. The Doctor's final speech from the box, at his most desperate and emotional since Eleven's beginning. (Are they going to pull a Jack here? River getting him out of the box in 2000 years or so?)

Fiona: That's my biggest worry now. ALL of the new Who two-parter finales have been fantastic in part one and a complete let-down (for me) in part two. They must not do that to me again, 'cause this was just too good. I will cry.

Shir: Whether alive or dead, I think Amy's encounters with the Doctor might have to be rewritten from childhood onwards before things can be back to normal. If they're going to go back to normal at all. That resolution might be too obvious and Donna-like, though. So p'raps not. (I'm good at this speculation thing.)


Jars - Jun 20, 2010 10:05:46 am PDT #13393 of 30001

UK DW - Seconding everyone's cries of 'NOOOOOOOO' for Rory. Poor dead plastic Rory.

Also though, does anyone have any thoughts on how Amy fits into the whole destrucion of the Tardis? And why her life doesn't make sense? I feel like that's still separate from the alliance using her memories to trap the Doctor. Unless I missed something, which is eminently possible.


Anne W. - Jun 20, 2010 10:08:40 am PDT #13394 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Jars, I have a feeling that the Alliance is being used in much the same way they thought they were using Amy.


Jars - Jun 20, 2010 10:15:27 am PDT #13395 of 30001

I can see that Anne.

I'm wondering is it that someone is building the destruction of the Tardis through Amy's life, or if it's going to be another Bad Wolf type thing where either she or the Doctor have built her being able to stop the destruction throughout her history, and she'll pull all the threads together at the end.

If that makes any sense.


tommyrot - Jun 20, 2010 10:18:16 am PDT #13396 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

US Who: Did they ever explain what was happening to the missing bodies in the cemetery? Was the lizard scientist guy experimenting on them?


Shir - Jun 20, 2010 10:22:27 am PDT #13397 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

DW UK - oh, and about the "life doesn't make sense" - well, as Nilly puts it, "welcome to the human kind" is what I'll reply. Our lives often doesn't make sense, and we roll with it. Stop being such an alien. (yeah, I know he's probably onto something. I still wanted to punch him after that sentence, the rational alien mama boy he is. You won't tell me I don't make sense - I will go and investigate it myself with the social science degree I'm getting right now, AIFG.)

Ahm. You can't tell I'm having a test tomorrow, can you?

Oh, and also: bringing the end of the world via the Doctor's companion? Brilliant.


tommyrot - Jun 20, 2010 10:47:30 am PDT #13398 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Also, I thought I read that Dr. Who ratings in the US are up this season. But this io9 review says the ratings are down in the UK:

Doctor Who is at its best when it's nasty


JenP - Jun 20, 2010 12:10:53 pm PDT #13399 of 30001

Who UK:

Well, then. Quite a pickle. I just have not enough time or the words to express my love for Rory. I haven't developed much feeling for Amy, but I like her more when he's looking at her and when she's looking at him. (I don't dislike the character, just... kinda eh.) Oh, and when the Doctor said to Rory, "You're going to have to be very brave," just as Amy walked in after waking up and didn't recognize Rory. Plotz. And he was, of course, very brave. And the scene where he kills her, and the look in her eyes, too - the utter shock and surprise that "Rory" didn't win the struggle. Oh, my romantic soul, the tragedy.

Eleven is awesome. He really just is. The way he can toss around a line - funny, moving, touching, scary. Good freaking actor, that boy.

And, finally: Dude, where's my universe?


Maysa - Jun 20, 2010 2:05:29 pm PDT #13400 of 30001

Who UK: Maybe it was all the Indian Jones' references, but this was the first Moffat episode this series that I really, truly loved.

I haven't really liked Eleven all series. There were some episodes, like "Amy's Choice" when I thought Matt Smith gave a very good performance, but I still didn't like his Doctor. Until now - that scene when he first heard the 12000 Dalek ships and paused, so scared and tired before he sprang into action. And then the big speech which begins with loud static and "Sorry, sorry - dropped it." Just genius.

I'm really happy about this because until "Vincent & the Doctor" I was ready to give up on Moffat's DW - but the past three episodes have been FANTASTIC.