River: 1001. 1002. Simon: River... River: Shh. I'm counting between the lightning and the thunder to see if the storm is coming or going. .1005

'The Message'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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§ ita § - May 15, 2010 5:49:41 am PDT #12959 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Look at the US map from Fringe's alternate universe. It looks a little skimpy on the left hand side, and Texas has been chopped.

Also, Acevedo is hot.


Theodosia - May 15, 2010 7:28:50 am PDT #12960 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Texas looks like it's two states. Also, Oklahoma and Kansas are not separated.

I wonder if the other half of California is in the ocean, or Mexican?


Consuela - May 15, 2010 7:53:15 am PDT #12961 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Given the line there, which looks like it follows the San Andreas, I think it's clear it's in the ocean.

I suspect I'm going to have to watch Fringe this summer, aren't I? Ah, well, it'll give me something to do. (Hah. Hah. Hah.)


DCJensen - May 15, 2010 8:40:39 am PDT #12962 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

North and South Dakota are also one state.


Theodosia - May 15, 2010 10:35:32 am PDT #12963 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

If only there was higher resolution so we could read the state names!


sumi - May 15, 2010 11:05:53 am PDT #12964 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

FYI - the Smallville finale was lots of fun and had a killer cliffhanger.


DCJensen - May 15, 2010 12:26:42 pm PDT #12965 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Indeed, lots of good moments, and bits, including the reflection in Clark's eyes of the "gift" his mom left him.

(And the rest of the opening scene from 3 years out.)

Oh yes, Michael Shanks reporting from Giza.

Oh, and I noticed when I was screencapping it, the S would be backwards on what she gave him to have it show up like this: [link]

oops.


Kristen - May 15, 2010 12:35:50 pm PDT #12966 of 30001

SciFi Wire saw the alternate universe map when they visited the Fringe set and broke down the differences they noticed.


beekaytee - May 15, 2010 1:59:47 pm PDT #12967 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Who UK:

Not even half way through and I'm delighted.

Though, the wibbly-wobbly camera thing is made of quease .

I am impressed with the casting. Toby Jones/Truman Capote !

eta: Oh NO! Oldsters of the Corn .


victor infante - May 15, 2010 6:43:16 pm PDT #12968 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

"Doctor Who," American Speed: So many places to go with this one. Moffat's playing an odd game, putting cards on the table early and trusting that he viewer will at least recognize that cards have been put on the table, and indeed, have been on the table all along, but really, there's still not enough information to figure out exactly what's going on. Because "we keep meeting each other out of order."

Prisoner Zero expected that the Doctor should know what the crack is. The Angels wanted the crack's energy, but didn't know they couldn't handle it, and it's unclear whether they were arranging things for it to show up, or just pleasantly surprised. The latter seems unlikely. Both Prisoner Zero and River Song mentioned the Pandorica opening. River Song killed someone who is, if not the Doctor himself, someone Doctorish.

And then there's Amy ... who, as my wife points out, was wearing a red hoodie. But let's leave her aside for a moment, and look at the angels.

The Angels are acting differently from the first time we (and the Doctor) met them. At no point do they drain anyone's potential and send them back in time, and it's never adequately explained why they don't. Which begs the question ... can they? Is that an ability they've gained yet? Or is that something that happens after they go through the crack? Were they erased, or just changed? And why were the two Time Lords in "The End of Time" so clearly positioned to reference them (up to and including a direct reference to them by Rassilon?

There were points where there appeared to be continuity errors between the Angels' two appearances, but now I'm no longer sure. I think we're meeting them out of order. I'm beginning to suspect the angels from "Blink" are from further along in the time stream, that they've fallen through time, like the Daleks and the Cybermen before them. And I'm beginning to suspect a connection between the Angels and the Time Lords, but that's a path I'm hesitant to purse, without more evidence.

But are we encountering the crack out of order? I'm beginning to think so: Prisoner Zero knew what it was, and whatever happens at the Pandorica is obviously significant. Does the Doctor somehow cause the crack? Does River Song kill him? Does the Doctor try to rewrite time? (Because, as we know, that likely leads to bad things. Bad things like two pieces of space and time touching that never should. Bad things like people not remembering Daleks or giant Cyberman robots rampaging in London. Except for the time travelers, naturally. So ... go easy out, Sarah Jane Smith and Jack Harkness!)

I've been enjoying this season, but I'll admit: Up until now, it's only been almost The Doctor. Now, with its establishing-pieces out of the way and its forcing us to go back and look at things we've taken for granted before, now I feel very engaged.

ETA: Wikipedia tells us "The Time Lord President compares two dissident Time Lords to the Weeping Angels as he shames them. In 'Blink', the Doctor described the Weeping Angels as being 'as old as the universe, or very nearly, but no one really knows where they come from.'" Oh, dear. I'm gaining suspicions ...