I would like Ianto to display a little bit of spine when it comes to Jack. Just because he knows he's being used doesn't make it feel any more palatable. And Jack's "Ianto" comment for things he'd be doing while Gwen was on honeymoon was colder than cold. I'm still not getting what they are pushing with the Jack/Gwen stuff - it's like I missed a season. The only thing I can think is if Jack had gone in the morgue he'd be in stasis, so even if he did revive they wouldn't know, and he's grateful for her not giving up on his coming back to an extreme degree.
And we live to fight another day.
Mal ,'Objects In Space'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Frankenbuddha - Mar 24, 2008 5:30:47 pm PDT #1258 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Liese S. - Mar 24, 2008 7:12:50 pm PDT #1259 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Torchwood 2.09:
I adore Rhys. There is very little in my television that I adore as much as Rhys, unless it is spelled "Ianto".
This. So very much this.
Just because he knows he's being used doesn't make it feel any more palatable.
Ooh, would this be a good time to mention that I wrote an Ianto-POV lyric about this? Hee. Yes, I am a geek. I have rhyming skills and I'm not afraid to use them.
I'm still not getting what they are pushing with the Jack/Gwen stuff - it's like I missed a season.
I think I pinged on this a little bit better during this ep, with the little photographic journey through his immortality with Jack. Evidently he was married at one point, and I think maybe he was feeling more nostalgia for the institution of marriage than the actual Gwen herself thing. Like him waxing poetic about offices. It's all the trappings of a normal life that are now never going to be an option for Jack, so much moreso than any of the others.
All of your relationships are transient, if you're immortal. And like how he had to skip out on the fairies in the garden lady, it's hard for him to establish any new relationship because he knows they'll grow old without him. And he'll go on.
Which brings me to the complaint I never got to earlier. Why would Jack, who has so much trouble with an extended lifespan himself, bring back Owen, knowing full well there was a good chance he'd come back wrong?
Fiona - Mar 24, 2008 10:36:15 pm PDT #1260 of 30001
Polter-Cow - Mar 24, 2008 11:05:39 pm PDT #1261 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Who's that last one?
It's nice to see the trailer in proper quality! I saw the bootleg of that a few weeks ago.
Theodosia - Mar 25, 2008 1:25:14 am PDT #1262 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
I think Jack loves each one of his Torchwood team, and had it been Tosh, Gwen or Ianto on the slab, he'd have tried the same thing. That Owen had so newly reached an epiphany about his personality problems and was making a change just made his sudden death much more horrible.
Fay - Mar 25, 2008 1:43:46 am PDT #1263 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
The last one is a very famous actor in Blighty, who will be forever associated with certain 70s kids' TV shows. Also, he cropped up in the Christmas special.
Fiona - Mar 25, 2008 2:12:04 am PDT #1264 of 30001
I love him. He provided the background noise to much of my childhood, and now B. listens to his recordings of the two Winnie-the-Pooh books incessantly. But I don't mind, because they are genius, and I do not use the word lightly.
So I'm glad to see him popping up on DW - and looking so well. He'll be 80 this year.
Kathy A - Mar 25, 2008 4:06:04 am PDT #1265 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
Finally watched Torchwood 2.09.
When they retcon, do they create false memories?
I thought that's what Ianto was referring to when he said he was the "wedding fairy", that he was going to start dispensing false memories to all the sleeping guests.
Miracleman - Mar 25, 2008 4:23:46 am PDT #1266 of 30001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020
When they retcon, do they create false memories?
I thought that's what Ianto was referring to when he said he was the "wedding fairy", that he was going to start dispensing false memories to all the sleeping guests.
Yeah, I got that impression too. Do a little "Men in Black" action.
"And get a decorator up in here, 'cause...damn!"
Fred Pete - Mar 25, 2008 5:52:46 am PDT #1267 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.
all questions of how much gay we show aside, Rhys is now my fucking hero.
I still don't think he's temperamentally set up to be married to someone in law enforcement. On the other hand, deferring to Gwen's wish to go on with the wedding even when she showed up pregnant gives him a lot of credit.
And really, any civilian who picks up a chainsaw to defend you against an alien when he barely understands what's going on -- instead of, say, running away or blubbering in fear -- he's a keeper.