Spike: Heard what happened up top, offing your dad and all. Don't know if you know this, but, uh…I killed my mum. Actually, I'd already killed her, and then she tried to shag me, so I had to-- Wesley: Thank you. I'm…very comforted.

'Lineage'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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beekaytee - Apr 04, 2010 7:21:44 am PDT #12494 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I'm completely with you Anne, about the differences in 10 vs. 11 presentation with one refinement: I agree that there is so much less anger in 11's bravado. But, in my mind, that makes him WAY more badass. That simple "Run" made me sit back, whereas, 10 saying that was more unstable and, therefore, less effective.

Very cool. And, I'll say it again, unexpected.

As for the slapstick. I've never been a fan of that sort of comedy, but, it WAS an element of 10's regeneration, so it didn't stand out for me. In fact, I concluded that it was used as a purposeful delineation. The one nod to what 11 might retain of 10 ...aaaand now we're done. From here on out, 11 is his own timelord.

I didn't think I was going to like the wardrobe change. Bowtie? Really? As it turns out, SUPER hot.

Not to go too wibbly, but I really like the way he walks.

eta: Heh. Crosspost with Seska. Thanks for bringing up Jeff and his future potential. As soon as I saw him, I said outloud, "Oh my god. It's AWESOME." Not only does he look like Chuck's bil, but he acts like him too, AND has a similar role.


Anne W. - Apr 04, 2010 7:52:16 am PDT #12495 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I'm completely with you Anne, about the differences in 10 vs. 11 presentation with one refinement:

Ooh, yes. I like that refinement. It means that instead of letting emotion run things, Eleven has the potential to be a lot more pragmatic and to think things through more carefully when push comes to shove. In short, less volatile but potentially far more dangerous.


beekaytee - Apr 04, 2010 8:17:03 am PDT #12496 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

See? That's exactly what I was thinking Anne. Waaaay more dangerous because, his thinking process is not based as much on emotion, just a complete confidence in his ability to win. Period .

11, calling back the Atraxi to let them know just how serious he is about protecting Earth came off as much more effective than 10's sword and jim jams speech. I was impressed with the latter, but far MORE impressed with the latest.


Fiona - Apr 04, 2010 8:42:40 am PDT #12497 of 30001

Not to go too wibbly, but I really like the way he walks.

He's quite bow-legged, but it suits him. And he moves really well.

Is the difference between Ten and Eleven maybe summed up in the difference between "it is defended" and "it is protected"... ?

Oh, but I didn't like the new credits. As I read somewhere, "a sort of space/time colonoscopy". Or what they've done to the theme tune. Again.


Nora Deirdre - Apr 04, 2010 9:47:48 am PDT #12498 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Dr. Who:

I didn't like the new credits or music AT ALL, but thankfully things improved after that.

The common theme of the Doctor leaving people behind in his wake was beautifully put front and center, as the trauma of his appearance, his promise to make the darkness go away to a young girl is an utter failure through no malice on his part, just... the fact that he couldn't handle time and space during this transformation.

I arched my eyebrow at when the nurse boyfriend mentioned having to dress up like the Doctor - I immediately thought that Eleven had imprinted himself on Amelia's awakening sexuality and was a little weirded out by that. I didn't think the doll/drawing stuff was cute, either- more psychosexually eerie. The fact that her job at the time was, basically, dressing up and selling sexual favors also seemed to track with that.

The whole setup reminded me of The Girl in the Fireplace and Madame du Pompador. But more heartbreaking. If what was said upthread about not pursuing a romantic relationship angle is true, then I am genuinely relieved, because I think for once the Companion has more Issues than the Doctor.

I'm so pleased that I don't hate Eleven! I actually like him quite a lot and am looking forward to see what happens. What was that ominous stuff about the cracks and the silence that Prisoner Zero was saying before it got zapped? I assume it's the start of this season's Bad Wolf.


Jon B. - Apr 04, 2010 10:08:22 am PDT #12499 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

bonny: I also immediately thought of Captain Awesome when we saw Jeff.

Nora: I hadn't really thought about the psychosexual aspects of the dolls and such. I agree that there's a creepiness to it. However, the objects themselves were still cute, you have to admit!


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Apr 04, 2010 10:16:52 am PDT #12500 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Regarding the dolls and cartoons, I think it has to have been significant that she had laid them out next to her wedding dress on the night before her wedding. Not necessarily in sexual terms, but in terms of trying to choose between 'fantasy' and a reality with Rory. It looked to me like she hadn't made her mind up when the Doctor reappeared. That said, I don't think the show was trying to push any idea of chemistry between them. I hope they don't start with that, because the platonic 'making up for broken promises' dynamic would be much more powerful. And also because Rose and Martha gave us quite enough of that.


Shir - Apr 04, 2010 11:25:44 am PDT #12501 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Let me echo back Seska's last spoiler-fonty line, and also say that wrt to the Doctor's impact on Amy's sexuality, is kindda where my mind went to with the Jungian interpretations to Doctor and brides theme. If they'll hit the "once you've gone Doctor, you can never go back", I'll be very, very crossed.

Also, what's up with Black River Song? She seemed like a bad guy.


§ ita § - Apr 04, 2010 12:54:03 pm PDT #12502 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Shir, what do you mean by Black River Song?

I also thought the dolls were more creepy than cute. Making them, I can totally see, and that's not creepy. She was a kid, and probably hugely affected. It's that she kept them.


Shir - Apr 04, 2010 12:59:47 pm PDT #12503 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

ita, I mean Alex Kingston's appearance in the "coming soon" promo, in black dress.