I seen you without your clothes on before. Never thought I'd see you naked.

Mal ,'Trash'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Theresa - Mar 23, 2010 9:07:28 am PDT #12376 of 30001
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Also, please kill Shaw. He's dull.

He's no Bryce Larkin that's for sure.


Vonnie K - Mar 23, 2010 5:25:29 pm PDT #12377 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Dude. I didn't know that "V" tonight was a recap clip show! On one hand: lame. On the other hand, I can go to bed earlier!

(Wow, this narrator has the world's most boring voice.)


le nubian - Mar 23, 2010 5:27:39 pm PDT #12378 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

yes, I didn't know this either. I am pissed.


Vortex - Mar 23, 2010 6:10:21 pm PDT #12379 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I am going to try to watch V because I loved it to distraction when it was on 20 years ago. However, I am having a hard time getting over the fact that I dislike the main character FBI agent woman.


sumi - Mar 24, 2010 5:55:03 am PDT #12380 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

And they're repeating two hours of V on Saturday.

So, I could have watched either Southland or Justified earlier.


Juliebird - Mar 24, 2010 3:58:52 pm PDT #12381 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Watched the latest Chuck. I could never get behind the show because of the unconciliatory overall tone with the subject matter. It's all yucky and messy and gross, and not in an awesome HBO/Showtime/FX way.

The whole Sarah and Casey are cold blooded killers but we like them they're awesome Yay! oh no Chuck you're sweet Kaylee and we don't want you to be a killer and you don't want to be a killer but you want to be a spy which means you need to be a killer and that's wrong wrong wrong for you and I'll hate you if you become like me and hey I'll help you get in a situation to become like me even though you're grossly underqualified and....

::pantpantpant::

I mean, there's some interesting stuff in there, but the way the show handles it pushes the interesting aside and leaves just the yucky for me. And I can't help but think that it's because they are bending over backwards to make their premise work. It's too much like trying to get yucks out of Monk's mental and emotional disorders.

For me, Sarah's chosen career and her desire to keep Chuck pure could be fascinating, and delve into her own possible self-disgust and wish for personal purification, which they touched on fleetingly towards the end of the other nights ep, but has been bugging the shit out of me for years. To keep him the way she loves him meaning that she has to get to that level and keep him with her, meaning getting out of the business. But really I keep coming back to: Chuck needs to get the fuck out of the kitchen because they use gas stoves.


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2010 4:58:09 am PDT #12382 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it's more than hypocritical that Sarah can't be with Chuck if he's a killer, but can be with Shaw who's a killer, but apparently just not a good spy. But that whole will-they-won't-they thing is artificially extended and I never bought her character from the start.

Just watching the Chivalry episode of Highlander. I think it's the highwater mark for Methos/Duncan. Wingfield is such a purring tease.


Barb - Mar 25, 2010 5:44:57 am PDT #12383 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

I think it's more than hypocritical that Sarah can't be with Chuck if he's a killer, but can be with Shaw who's a killer, but apparently just not a good spy

I never found it hypocritical, necessarily, just handled poorly by the writers. She fell for what made Chuck so uniquely Chuck. She fell not just for him, but for what he represented, in terms of the normal (ish) life she never had because of her unorthodox upbringing and then her career. In her mind, Chuck taking that step and becoming a killer eradicates the last bit of what made him special and different from everything else in her life.

The paradox, of course, is that Chuck not being a full-fledged spy kept him from being her full equal, in both their eyes. It would always be an unbalanced relationship.

Not that the writer/lizard brain has been playing with different scenarios or anything...


§ ita § - Mar 25, 2010 6:10:16 am PDT #12384 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For me it's seeing that she seems to hate the killer in herself that makes me wonder how she can date a killer. But just one killer. Well, two, assuming Bryce Larkin could kill too. Just not Chuckles. Your description of what she sees in Chuck (she only likes him if he can't kill in self defense, for instance) is terribly shallowly handled by the writers.


Barb - Mar 25, 2010 6:19:14 am PDT #12385 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

It shows a tremendous lack of self-awareness of Sarah's part, which I think is a disservice to both the character and the viewer.