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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Mar 21, 2008 8:54:49 pm PDT #1221 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

No, but it is scheduled

Well, if you assume they scheduled Who first and then shoehorned Torchwood into the gap left, but why do that?


Fiona - Mar 22, 2008 12:08:44 am PDT #1222 of 30001

I think there's a different motive for moving TW, at least in part: the new series of "The Apprentice" starts next Wednesday at 9pm (Torchwood's timeslot). So actually the BBC are being kind to TW by moving it; Apprentice always does pretty well, ratingswise.

But yes, this way TW is also over before the new series of Doctor Who starts (12th April, last I heard).

Friday is a much better fit for TW anyway.


Kevin - Mar 22, 2008 5:40:59 am PDT #1223 of 30001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

We don't have sweeps. Or advertising on BBC. BBC scheduling is a bit of a mystery - they burn things off all the time, or skip weeks seemingly randomly. Buffy was one of BBC Two's biggest rated programs, and they used to take it off air all the time to air snooker and such.


Sparky1 - Mar 22, 2008 5:47:40 am PDT #1224 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

BBC scheduling is a bit of a mystery

Is there a UK content factor that has to be fulfilled? (Such as with Canadian radio having to have a certain % of Canadian content?)

Signed, Too Lazy to Look it Up Myself


sumi - Mar 22, 2008 7:52:43 am PDT #1225 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Last I heard BBC starts Who 4 in the first week of April.


Fiona - Mar 22, 2008 9:56:42 am PDT #1226 of 30001

Buffy was one of BBC Two's biggest rated programs, and they used to take it off air all the time to air snooker and such.

Snooker has far bigger ratings than Buffy ever did. It's not actually surprising things get bumped for snooker. We complained when they stopped showing "Twin Peaks" right in the middle for the same reason, but that was why. (My friend actually wrote her dissertation on different scheduling and viewing habits for "Twin Peaks" in the US and GB).

Is there a UK content factor that has to be fulfilled?

Well, nothing as simple as a defined UK content factor or anything. But, being a public service provider (and receiving license fees) means the BBC is accountable for everything it does.


beekaytee - Mar 22, 2008 3:29:55 pm PDT #1227 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I'm watching a dodgy (meaning stuttering) TW212 since it is not yet up on YT. I love the use of the evolution of data collection as a metaphor for the passage of time. Clever. Don't think I've ever seen that before.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2008 4:33:32 pm PDT #1228 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just noticed this secret in Fandom Secrets (non-spoilery for TW), and it makes me realise that I should have fallen for Tosh before episode 12, shouldn't I? Especially the Captain Jack Harkness ref.


sumi - Mar 22, 2008 5:18:40 pm PDT #1229 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

TW 9 - This was a very Angelic episode -what with the demon pregnancy and the vampires - inter-dimensional space vampires!

I loved Ianto's line about having been raised to never speak ill of the dead. Very cute.


Liese S. - Mar 23, 2008 9:14:17 am PDT #1230 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Torchwood 2.09: I hate wedding episodes on general principle and I also hate demon pregnancies. I also think retcon is a horrible, horrible thing, and can't imagine that they still use it so recklessly after all they've been through with it.

I also hate scary carnival scenes, so I imagine I'm not going to be much happier after next week.

All that said, I suppose it's a shock I don't find the whole thing just awful. But I don't. It was okay, I guess. I somehow thought that they wouldn't actually marry off Gwen & Rhys and that this was how they wouldn't. So when they did, after all, I feel like what was the point of all of that? Like somehow the risk that Gwen puts her family at is too much. (And she definitely should not have gone on with the wedding.) That she needs to cut everybody off, that just by being around them she endangers them. Just like how everyone else in Torchwood is alone, she is the only one with outside contacts, and they pay the price for that.

Which is solved, okay, by the retcon, but not really. I mean, how will they explain the death? How does Rhys go on with a happy wedding with that in the background? And also, they probably should have retconned the family after the chaos but before the actual wedding. It sucks for none of them to remember the actual uneventful wedding.

I just think Torchwood fucks around with too much too cavalierly.

Criticisms within the show, you understand, not of the show itself.