Xander: I still don't get why we came here to get info about a killer snot monster. Giles: Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. I did not say that.

'Never Leave Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Nora Deirdre - Jan 01, 2010 6:01:06 pm PST #11507 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Jon, I thought that was his mom. But I thought the reason Wilf didn't change was because he was in that box, not because he wasn't human.

Also:

WILF IS MY WOOBIE.


Nora Deirdre - Jan 01, 2010 6:05:40 pm PST #11508 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

My quick thoughts-

Jebus, that goodbye montage was incredibly long. WE GET IT RUSTY YOU'RE LEAVING TOO. I assume that's what the extra 15 minutes was for.

Some good moments- almost all of them were Wilf and Doctor related. I thought that was a cool way to wrap up the He Will Knock Four Times thing, since I'd been assuming it was the Timelord heartbeat.

New Doctor: DO NOT WANT.


Juliebird - Jan 01, 2010 6:32:16 pm PST #11509 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Yeah, I figured the same as Nora for Wilf not changing. Location location location.

Now, my experience in my adult life with the Doctor changing was weird, because I came in late to Eccleston's reign, was immediately charmed by his long gangly legs and Northern accent and big ears, and possibly Bad Wolf and The Parting of the Ways were the second and third eps that I saw. Or maybe there were some fanvids that I saw that were all heartbreaky with Rose and Nine, but mostly Ten. So, the transition between the doctors, I was already prepared (spoiled) for. And the transition itself within the show was quick, unforshadowed, and the dude that popped out at the end was hysterical and was something entirely new. So for that transition I was actually more familiar with Ten than Nine when I finally sat down and watched New Who from it's beginning. But I don't think that that makes up for the difference in my reaction this time around.

With EoT2 it's been telegraphed, foreshadowed, anvilled, in the specials and in the press for what feels like years, and I have to say that I started feeling a little RotK with it's twenty endings, and then the meta of this being whatsisface stepping down and turning things over to Moffat, and so having to rehash the season finale with all the reunions with the past companions (although I did enjoy the Tatooine? bar vibe with Jack) and that hysterical thought I had a week ago about Kenny and South Park? Not so funny this week. Will he die like Spock in the glass room? Nope. Will he die in the snowy street like the unwritten fic in my head? Nope?

Okay, the "I don't want to go" broke me, but then 11 was on my screen doing an amateur riff on Tennant's Ten and going over the top with it. Did not like. It was then that I really wanted a Derek Reese ending. Bullet to the head, he's dead, move on.

If you think about it, this swan song makes The Lord of the Rings wrap up look Cliff Notes. (Heh, and it is so very wrong that I'm not the only one to make this same compariosn, only more succinctly). From Journey's End on, there has been way too much fucking time wasted and stretched.

I really enjoyed the show up until Matt Smith's entrance, and the Cactus chick was absolutely awesome. Donna felt wasted, Martha and Mickey were hot, although I'm sad about her medical boyfriend (assumption).

Until I get a grip on myself, the lingering taste in my mouth is DO NOT WANT. and I'm still hungry.


sumi - Jan 01, 2010 6:43:11 pm PST #11510 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Wow. All you impatient folks who couldn't wait 'til tomorrow!


beekaytee - Jan 01, 2010 6:47:43 pm PST #11511 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I wonder if John Simm got an extra pay packet for playing 94% of the cast.


WindSparrow - Jan 01, 2010 6:55:52 pm PST #11512 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I wonder if John Simm got an extra pay packet for playing 94% of the cast.

Walk-on rates for each character would probably set him up for life.


Juliebird - Jan 01, 2010 7:00:51 pm PST #11513 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Someone mentioned a while back about confusing John Simm with Simon Pegg, which is something that I did quite often back when they first came onto my radar. I don't think it was the looks, per se, but the names. Common first name, short odd last.


WindSparrow - Jan 01, 2010 7:13:43 pm PST #11514 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

EOT2: I think one of the novels established The Doctor's father was Time Lord, and his mother was human. Which leaves Mysterious Time Lord woman as Romana. Of course, they do not treat the novels as canon, so who knows. And Who may know if they will ever tell us who she was meant to be, but I don't.


Fiona - Jan 01, 2010 9:11:43 pm PST #11515 of 30001

Speaking of Simon Pegg, wasn't he first in the queue having his book signed by Jessica Haynes-Stevenson? Must rewatch. I liked the fact that she showed up. "Were you?" .

The Guardian review specifically says that Claire Bloom played the Doctor's mother, and as reviewers have access to press packs, I'm going to assume that this is indeed the case. For a minute there I did think it might be the aged Timelord part of Donna (à la Jack/Face of Bo), but that might have been too complicated even for RTD .

Part One was something of a disappointment for me, so I'm glad that they pulled it out of the bag for Part Two, even if the valedictory ending went on too long. In the Confidential, RTD said that he assumes the new crew won't be using the old characters, so he wanted to wrap it up for everybody, which is fair enough .


Consuela - Jan 01, 2010 10:27:37 pm PST #11516 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

EOT2: Jesus, that was self-indulgent. I think I feel dirty. Also, since when did Martha marry Mickey? Although they both looked awesome, I must admit.

Seriously, it just went on and on and on and ON. And I just watched the end of ROTK tonight, so I know from going ON AND ON. I'm ready for the end of the Rusty era. But that said, my first thought about Matt Smith's performance was: too much Tennant. I really wish they'd gone for a totally different type instead of another lanky wacky-haired young guy.

Oh, and also re Cactus Gal -- omg that was NINA! I kept trying to figure out where I knew her from. Awesome!