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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 29, 2009 5:54:55 pm PST #11458 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

So I DVRd the recent rebroadcast of The Runaway Bride, and watched it tonight, because I was curious how it would play post-Companion!Donna. Still a bit too shrill and noisy an episode, but it was interesting to see the groundwork laid.

However, could someone confirm for me one way or the other - there was a scene where Donna basically told the Doctor off that he was too dangerous to be around at the end of the episode (at least partly based on his fate for the Empress and her children). And didn't he ask her along (which I remember leading to the chewing out)?

In any case, they cut that bit on this rebroadcast. If it's my imagination, or if I'm conflating it with a different ep,, I'd like to know. Otherwise, curse you BBCA programming monkeys!!!


Stephanie - Dec 29, 2009 6:28:01 pm PST #11459 of 30001
Trust my rage

Im totally going on memory here but I thought he asked her along and she said no. Because I thought part of her deal in the beginning of S4 was that she had changed her mind and was going to accept his offer. Complete with hatbox.


§ ita § - Dec 29, 2009 7:46:28 pm PST #11460 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Man, I'm going to miss Tennant something awful. I'm rewatching The End of Time. I think it's quite scattered and sometimes overkinetic, but way worth it for the cafe scene.

Who did Martha end up hooking up with? Did all of the Companions of New Who get with black guys, or were they all interracial relationships?


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 29, 2009 9:07:25 pm PST #11461 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

All interracial except for Jack, I think. Martha got engaged to that doctor guy she was in the resistance with during the year that was retconned out of existence.


§ ita § - Dec 30, 2009 5:38:42 am PST #11462 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jack gets offscreen interspecies points.

IO9's worst sf moments of 2009. Ends with a True Blood clip.

I totally don't think the Torchwood moment was a worst. I quite liked it. Seeing Jack dressed in sweats was painful. And of what's happened on Heroes, with Sylar or Matt specifically? I didn't mind that moment either. Fringe didn't ping me either. BSG--hard for me to pick, but on watching that moment it was pretty awful. And they definitely picked from the worst Dollhouse episode.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 30, 2009 7:15:51 am PST #11463 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I really don't get the True Blood pick. That was one of the more powerful scenes this season.


Liese S. - Dec 30, 2009 9:19:14 am PST #11464 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Oh! That reminds me. I just found out that one of my musician buddies did work on the True Blood soundtrack. Must figure out specifics...wiki...wiki...oh, there it is. Swampblood, by the Legendary Shack Shakers. And he did production.


Kathy A - Dec 30, 2009 10:27:31 am PST #11465 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I like IO9's Best New Characters of the Decade, especially Gaius Baltar and Donna Noble:

And talking of people you can't rely on, Battlestar Galactica's Baltar may have been chosen by God/The Gods/Some Higher Power/Ronald D. Moore to lead humanity towards its new home, along the way discovering a spiritual side, falling in love and growing as a human being, but that wasn't why we loved him so much. No, with Baltar, it was all about the weasel. Whether he was trying to maneuver himself into even greater positions of power, trying to stay alive after surrendering the colonies to the cylons on New Caprica or just trying to seduce whatever character had caught his attentions that week, Baltar was never better than when he was being weak and giving in to his worst impulses. James Callis' performance was one of the best things throughout the entire series, giving us a character that we Loved To Hate To Love, as well as some of the few moments of genuine comedy throughout the entire run. You just know that he'd have given up that whole farming thing within a month of the finale, don't you?

She didn't fall in love with the Doctor. It's worth repeating: She didn't fall in love with the Doctor. After Rose and Martha, that fact alone made this particular Doctor Who companion feel like a breath of fresh air, but there was so much more to her than that: Her enthusiasm, and heart. Her ability to say the wrong thing in almost any occasion. Her self-confidence, misplacing in many ways, but making her feel like the Doctor's peer and friend instead of someone who believes everything he says and puts him on a pedestal (Catherine Tate deserves all credit for making that charming and irritating at once). Given her (intentionally) annoying first appearance in "The Runaway Bride," it's surprising that Donna turned into the companion I'll miss most from this new run, but it's definitely true; her exit was heartbreaking, entirely fitting and proof that Russell T. Davies loved her too much to kill her off. I'm selfishly hoping she survives "The End Of Time," too.


§ ita § - Dec 30, 2009 10:33:09 am PST #11466 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ugh, I hated Baltar. Well, I kinda enjoyed him well enough at the start, and then things kinda started to slip when he kept the secret about Boomer being a Cylon. By the time he slid through mustache-twirling evil into pimp-cult-overlord I couldn't take him anymore.

It's a sadly short list. Agree or disagree, I thought there should be more people on it.

Oh, and Zoe.


Stephanie - Dec 30, 2009 12:12:27 pm PST #11467 of 30001
Trust my rage

I grew to hate Baltar. He just didn't make sense to me towards the end.

Loved Donna.