Sweet lumpy minion, you're the only one that understands. Probably 'cause I haven't sucked the brain out of you yet.

Glory ,'Potential'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Trudy Booth - Nov 18, 2009 12:16:11 pm PST #10952 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Simps. You'd think they'd have straightened out extradition when they started issuing Vs passports.

Or maybe they did. If you commit a crime? Your courts. If WE commit a crime? Your courts.


Polter-Cow - Nov 18, 2009 12:19:37 pm PST #10953 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

They're going to try make Global Frequency again. CW, huh? Well, I want it to work, but I'm kind of attached to the original version, although it can never be continued.

Huh. Yeah, I like the original pilot. I haven't gotten around to reading the comic, but if this goes to series, I will get around to it more quickly.

Scott Nimerfro wrote for Pushing Daisies, so that's not bad. Otherwise, he's no John Rogers.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Nov 18, 2009 1:04:43 pm PST #10954 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Shir, I like that theory. In vague reference to it and general speculation: it does seem like they've been signposting that something big will change with Eleven, given all the prophecies, and what River said about the Doctor being 'younger' and less powerful than when she'd known him later in his life. But every finale since the revamped series began has felt like a let-down, with lots of deus ex machina stuff and sloppy writing in a scramble to tie up loose ends. 'Bad Wolf', reversing time to defeat the Master, and even DoctorDonna (although that wasn't quite as bad) were mostly just disappointing. I'm expecting them to screw up again with whatever the resolution to the prophecies and foreshadowing turns out to be. I hope they don't, of course - a really big exit for Ten and intro for Eleven would be great.

I think it's a really well done first season (they haven't aired past that in the States, and I never got around to acquiring it), and for one that's targeted at the youngest demographic still managed to work up a decent sense of peril.

I'm working my way through the season one DVDs, and I'm very impressed. I thought transferring the Whoniverse to a children's TV setting wouldn't work (as much as that's where it started, it's grown up over the decades). But it's got some good writers, and the young actors seem pretty good, which all helps with hanging on to the 'feel' of Doctor Who.

Did someone mention Ace? Now there was a companion.


Connie Neil - Nov 18, 2009 1:08:21 pm PST #10955 of 30001
brillig

Ace.

Rocked hard.

"You wouldn't have done anything so insane as to go against my express instructions not to make any more Nitro-9, would you?"
"What if I had?"
"Can I have some?"

Her and Leela. Those were Companions.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2009 1:13:43 pm PST #10956 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hey, Sarah wielded a gun in her time as a companion. It's no Nitro-9, but for her time period, she was representing. And she's a fierce mama bear for her timeslot in series one of her adventures. I need to check out the recent stuff. Curses on BBCAm for not sharing with us.


tiggy - Nov 18, 2009 1:56:37 pm PST #10957 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

dude! i can barely contain my excitement over the Global Frequency news. that is probably my favorite pilot of a show that never was!


Jessica - Nov 18, 2009 5:39:35 pm PST #10958 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Finally finished the new Prisoner. I'm disappointed they couldn't keep up the momentum of the first two eps, and it was jarring how suddenly the tone switched from "Oh you silly - the Village is the entire universe, and it's perfect except for the constant spying, la la la!" to "Yeah, you're in a walking nightmare being held against your will. Say, did you ever read The Doll's House by Neil Gaiman?"

I think it could have benefited from a longer run, or a shorter story. They tried to cram in too much and it wound up just not holding together.

I also can't think of an actor with less charisma than Jim Caveziel. A better Number Six could have made the last hour much MUCH more watchable.

(I'm also not sure why Sara was chosen as the dreamer. Isn't a homeless schizophrenic going to have exactly the opposite kind of dreams from you'd want when creating a subconscious utopia? And now she gets to be catatonic in The Village too? So life sucks doubly for her?)


Strega - Nov 18, 2009 6:34:34 pm PST #10959 of 30001

I feel compelled to note that there is no Doctor Who canon. So, um, there, now I have. Yay me.

I've been absorbing more Who-stuff recently, so that I can decipher a highly tangential set of stories, which I'm reading out of order. It's kind of like digging into 1960's Fantastic Four in order to unpack Planetary. While riding a tilt-a-whirl. So my perspective on everything is a bit askew.

That said, I've seen maybe a dozen episodes of nuWho and the only episode of this past series I've seen is Waters of Mars, but I'm going to whitefont this since it's based on all sorts of third-hand stuff and fascinating-but-perhaps-demented fandom analysis. As far as I know this is pure speculation about the finale, but in light of Waters of Mars: it seems fairly likely to me that The End of Time involves restoring Gallifrey somehow. WoM is rather toothless unless he's going to go even further, and changing an event that he himself was responsible for seems... appropriate. And it also makes sense as a conclusion to RTD-era Who. "Putting all the toys back in the box" was how I saw it phrased somewhere. So that'd be where my money is.


Polter-Cow - Nov 18, 2009 6:41:38 pm PST #10960 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I feel compelled to note that there is no Doctor Who canon.

How do you mean?

Strega, a friend of mine has that same theory. I don't know how I feel. We shall see, I suppose.

I just watched "It's Your Funeral," which I actually stayed awake through. I found it entertaining but terribly convoluted. I didn't understand what Number Six's role in the whole thing was. Things would have gone perfectly fine if they hadn't involved him.


Strega - Nov 18, 2009 7:41:45 pm PST #10961 of 30001

How do you mean?
"Canon" is the authorized version, and there isn't one. Originally it wasn't an issue at all because the question didn't exist, and when it did come up BBC declined to care, and for the new series Davies & Moffat have both explicitly said that the concept of canon doesn't really make sense when applied to time-travelling, dimension-hopping character. Episodes contradict each other; comics and radio and books contradict each other and the TV version. And all of that's okay, because that's what makes it Doctor Who.

I'll try to dig up this entertaining rant about it that I read a while back. Later, when I'm actually awake. Whirrr.