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Wash ,'The Message'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Laura - Sep 19, 2009 7:43:09 am PDT #10029 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

As soon as it was clear that somebody would be remotely controlling Carter's body, I knew I was in for some comedy gold.

DH loved that part in particular. He compared the physical comedy to Dick Van Dyke. Fun stuff.


§ ita § - Sep 19, 2009 10:15:07 am PDT #10030 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was good to see them write directly to his broad physical comedy strength. The show's been good about writing to his strengths in general, one of the reasons I've found it a treat to watch, but he's very good at moving, and it hasn't played that up as much on a large scale as it could have.


Theodosia - Sep 19, 2009 11:31:27 am PDT #10031 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Yes, I should have praised CFerg's moves -- Dick Van Dyke is a good comparison indeed!


beekaytee - Sep 19, 2009 4:12:33 pm PDT #10032 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Defying Gravity: Huh. Now that's eeeennterresting.

Anybody else seen it?

Having the mission based on guilt and having everyone challenged to overcome something very personal, how will this spool out ?

I'm wondering about the outliers. The religious 'fanatic', the one who sees nothing but is fascinated by it anyway and the one who sees it differently and is angry about it .

Again, I say 'huh.'


le nubian - Sep 19, 2009 4:24:43 pm PDT #10033 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Yes, I saw it and I was actually irritated. I think episode 9 should have come MUCH sooner (like the pilot), because to hang on to all of these for 9 episodes is patently ridiculous. Who laid out the plot of this series anyway?

I'm not sure I find it as interesting that the mission is based on guilt. But I'm wondering what the writers had planned for the other members of Beta's family. I do like the fact that two members of the crew can't yet see Beta. I do wonder why Jen is there.


beekaytee - Sep 19, 2009 4:33:33 pm PDT #10034 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

le n, if I were the psychologist, I'd suggest that Jen might be connected to one of the other entities.

I agree that the core of the story ought to have come much earlier in the plot unfolding. In a way, it feels like a whole different show now. Perhaps that is purposeful. Put the viewers as off their footing as the crew members .


§ ita § - Sep 19, 2009 6:04:04 pm PDT #10035 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think that two of the crew can't see Beta--Wass knew it was fractal right away. I think it's just Jen that can't see it.

I'm glad this didn't happen very early on. If it had they'd have had to tell it very differently to keep my interest--I found the first half of this episode very boring. It's not great sci fi. I'm there because I like Ron Livingston and Malik Yoba and some of the other actors.


le nubian - Sep 19, 2009 6:13:30 pm PDT #10036 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

yes, sorry. I meant that 2 didn't get hallucinations.

this show is barely hanging on to my interest now. If this showed during the regular tv season, I wouldn't have made it past the pilot, I don't think.


evil jimi - Sep 19, 2009 6:27:43 pm PDT #10037 of 30001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

(notice that the first victim was watching XF?)

Yep but did you also pick up the second XF reference. When Broyles was facing the senate hearing, the agro Senator actually referenced the X-files as being "real" when he said, "the old X designation" .

I hate what they did to Charlie. I really liked the character. Unfortunately, the way they handled it was also stupid and clumsy, with plot holes you could fly the Enterprise through. There's no way the soldier could've transformed into Charlie in the time alloted. "He" needed to strip Charlie, then divest himself of the nurse's uniform. He then had to redress in Charlie's clothes, and then redress the nurse in her clothes, before hiding Charlie's body .

I won't even mention the forensics and bullets.

Unless there is a second soldier who killed the first one and took over Charlie's body. Although that still has a fair-sized plot hole.


§ ita § - Sep 19, 2009 7:34:14 pm PDT #10038 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You don't need to white font, jimi. It's aired in the US.