I'd rather stay home and watch television. It's often funnier than killing stuff.

Anya ,'Dirty Girls'


Firefly 5: That's my girl... That's my good girl.

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe.


Sophia Brooks - Jan 02, 2011 4:31:18 pm PST #3460 of 5292
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Yes, thank you Andi.

Maybe we should sync our "watches" a few minutes before? I was 2 minutes behind, but I got that way trying to catch up from being about 30 second behind, and Netflix taking a long time to load when I tried to FF..


WindSparrow - Jan 02, 2011 4:33:05 pm PST #3461 of 5292
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Any other ideas?

Not sure, I just started mine at the top of the hour, using my computer's clock. It's hard for me to tell how close to synchronized we were because it always takes a few moments for me to type responses. And then read where other people are.

And yes, FUN. Thanks for organizing, Andi.

I was just carrying the ball that omnis handed off. If he hadn't gotten things going with the Movie W&P, we wouldn't have tonight. Thanks again, omnis!


beekaytee - Jan 02, 2011 4:34:10 pm PST #3462 of 5292
Compassionately intolerant

Yeah. I think 'starting' by getting on a particular point and pausing again would be helpful.


WindSparrow - Jan 02, 2011 4:35:36 pm PST #3463 of 5292
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Maybe we should sync our "watches" a few minutes before?

That sounds good. I usually have to spend a few minutes tinkering with our house network, to get the wireless stuff going, and then try to make sure the dvd player is set up. So I'll try to give a thought to synchronizing times in that time frame, as well.


erin_obscure - Jan 02, 2011 6:09:13 pm PST #3464 of 5292
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

a couple hours late to the game but what a lovely excuse to rewatch :) i've seen this show so many times...yet never before noticed the teddy bear applique on Kaylee's overalls. And didn't really register Inara blessing Book.

It's enough. bless.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jan 03, 2011 1:45:33 am PST #3465 of 5292
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

That's such a good episode. They establish character so perfectly for all them. I, too, love the scene where Kaylee tells Book he's going with Serenity. Wash and the dinosaurs is fab.

Am I right in thinking that this wasn't shown on US TV, but The Train Job was shown first? I think someone told me that. Seems really weird. Especially given how perfect an opener this episode is.


WindSparrow - Jan 03, 2011 4:26:28 am PST #3466 of 5292
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Train Job was shown first, because Fox, in their infinite wisdom, decided that Jayne was right about Mal being a pussy to back down from Badger and was too dour into the bargain. So one bright, shiny Friday afternoon, they told Whedon that if he didn't come up with a new script for a pilot by Monday morning, they'd scrap the whole project. And so, Train Job was born, the brain child of the frantic writing coupling of Whedon and Minear.


WindSparrow - Jan 03, 2011 4:29:45 am PST #3467 of 5292
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

After the events of the Big Damn Movie, I like to think that River, with all her considerable genius, comes up with a few plans that actually make the crew some money.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jan 03, 2011 5:33:00 am PST #3468 of 5292
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Ah, Fox. How we love when they screw with Joss and his creations. Do you think Firefly would have survived longer than a season if they hadn't insisted on a new pilot?


Beverly - Jan 03, 2011 9:42:15 am PST #3469 of 5292
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Do you think Firefly would have survived longer than a season if they hadn't insisted on a new pilot?

Honestly? No. I don't think American viewers as a whole were ready for Cowboys in Space. What I think is, the collaborative efforts of everyone involved in getting the concept to the screen paved the way for new tech and new uses of existing tech. Two quick examples:

Handheld in space. Joss wanted the fast and dirty, immediate, on the fly filming rather than the careful, deliberate filming of objects or movement in space. So the camera people and the cgi folks had to figure out ways to make it look like somebody was standing on the exterior of a ship filming Reavers or the Dortmunder or Serenity herself *moving* against a static background, get it not-centered in frame and a little blurry from the speed.

BSG and theatrical release movies used and improved on that technique thereafter.

Universal music. Greg Edmonson took music from many cultures and combined it in unprecedented ways, and used it unexpectedly to underscore scenes that seemingly had nothing to do with the cultures the music came from. Combined with bluegrass and celtic and even early rock, the music called out familiarities and the exotic in juxtaposition, making the viewer aware of just what a heady collection of cultures had come out to the rim while it gave us touchstones from home. BSG in particular used the same "world music" influences combined with familiar cadences and harmonies, along with martial music--all of it used in close and sometimes unexpected proximity to give the viewer comforting familiarity in the midst of exciting strange and new.

Firefly was a turning point in American tv viewers' awareness, much like Star Wars (alright, "#4: A New Hope") was for both audiences and industry fx. It readied the audience who found it strange and offputting itself, while it whetted an appetite we were previously unaware we had.

IMO, anyway.