Where'd they get CAT scan from?... I mean, did they test it on cats? Or does the machine sort of look like a cat?

Dawn ,'Sleeper'


Spike's Bitches 38: Well, This Is Just...Neat.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Polter-Cow - Dec 19, 2007 12:52:37 pm PST #9146 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

There is a quote somewhere where he basically says, "this isn't a metaphor, its an alternate reality".

Wikipedia to the rescue:

"What might Christ become like, if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all."


Trudy Booth - Dec 19, 2007 12:54:17 pm PST #9147 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Wikipedia from me too:

Lewis, an expert on the subject of allegory, maintained that the books were not allegory, and preferred to call the Christian aspects of them "suppositional". This is similar to what we would now call fictional parallel universes. As Lewis wrote in a letter to a Mrs Hook in December of 1958:

“If Aslan represented the immaterial Deity in the same way in which Giant Despair [a character in The Pilgrim's Progress] represents despair, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality, however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, ‘What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia, and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?’ This is not allegory at all” (Martindale & Root 1990).


Hil R. - Dec 19, 2007 12:54:20 pm PST #9148 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I just want to say, I'm really sorry if what I said last night offended or insulted anyone. That totally wasn't my intention.


Trudy Booth - Dec 19, 2007 12:55:03 pm PST #9149 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I dunno, Hil, you're sort of an instigating bitch and we all know that by now.


Fay - Dec 19, 2007 1:06:12 pm PST #9150 of 10002
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

I hate that they've changed the series packaging so that TMN rather than TLTWATW is the first book. It's just not anything like as good an introduction to the series, IMHO.

Huh. Which number in the series was it for you when you were wee? 'Cause it was Book 1 in the editions I was reading as a kid, I'm pretty sure (ah, Narnia! My first ever fandom, back before I knew what fandom was).

Voyage of the Dawn Treader! God, I remember my Mum walking into a room and finding me sobbing my heart out, just weeping and weeping, heartbroken, and she was all "OMG! What what what?" And I was all "....heroic mouse!....self-sacrifice!....Reepicheep!" And when she eventually grasped that her 7 year old was in this state over the fate of a fictional mouse... well, my Mum has never really grokked that side of my personality.

vw, I loved The Golden Compass. Loved loved loved. And I didn't find it antithetical to theism either, actually. The direction he takes the subsequent books is more agressively atheist, but at least initially I thought that he was going for agnosticism. YMMV. (As to not letting one's kids read them lest they be OMG corrupted by atheism - I confess, this makes me want to shake people until their teeth rattle. Not least because (a) I adored the Narnia books as a child and knew them inside out and back to front - and, look, Ma, still not Christian; and (b) after reading His Dark Materials I realised that, yes, I was more of an agnostic than an atheist. I found the final book spiritually barren, and had not been expecting it to be.)

On a slightly related note, I'm re-reading (well, Audiobooking) Ender's Game and its sequels at the moment, and I'm finding all the religious stuff absolutely fascinating.


Glamcookie - Dec 19, 2007 1:06:22 pm PST #9151 of 10002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

GF has been un-laid off. That place is weird, but at least this is good weird. I guess her boss went to bat for her.


Susan W. - Dec 19, 2007 1:19:41 pm PST #9152 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Which number in the series was it for you when you were wee?

Six. The version that was being published in America when I first read it circa 1980 was TLTWATW, Prince Caspian, Dawn Treader, Silver Chair, Horse and His Boy, Magician's Nephew, Last Battle. Which I think is publication order.


Sean K - Dec 19, 2007 1:22:16 pm PST #9153 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

GOOD NEWS, GC! So happy for you both.


Hil R. - Dec 19, 2007 1:23:04 pm PST #9154 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

That sounds like the same order as the set I had, Susan. Circa 1990 or so. So far, I've read (in this order) TLTWATW, Prince Caspian, Dawn Treader, Magician's Nephew. I think that Silver Chair, Horse and His Boy, Last Battle seems like a reasonable order for the rest. Except that that only one I can find right now is Horse and His Boy.


Susan W. - Dec 19, 2007 1:24:37 pm PST #9155 of 10002
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Horse and His Boy was my favorite as a child because it had horsies and I identified with Aravis.