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DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 7:39:21 pm PDT #2729 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

A bad thing to be sure, but why would it be our immediate problem?

Because it hurt our trade partners and would weaken our position in the world.

Strategically, sitting out turned out to be brilliant approach as it lead to the American hegemony of the last 70 years.

Well, good for us. Sucky if you live in South or Central America or the Middle East. Africa was already fucked and the Brits got to Asia first.


aurelia - Sep 24, 2007 7:42:49 pm PDT #2730 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

But Germany running over Poland and France and blitzing London should've looked like a supremely bad thing, I think.

Plus the genocide thing.

red velvet boots

I want those. Don't know when I'd wear them, but I want them.


Susan W. - Sep 24, 2007 7:43:00 pm PDT #2731 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Are allies being attacked justification for entering a war?

To a certain degree, yes, I think. It depends on the circumstances, but the fact that they're allies implies a certain common interest, and having one another's back when needed. I don't necessarily think it's wrong that we waited until we were attacked ourselves to enter WWII, but I also think (from my non-pacifist's perspective) that it would've been morally justifiable to enter the war earlier based on our alliance with Britain.


Lee - Sep 24, 2007 7:44:12 pm PDT #2732 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I want those. Don't know when I'd wear them, but I want them.

Exactly.


DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 7:44:27 pm PDT #2733 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Plus the genocide thing.

We're operating without the benefit of hindsight and certainly the American public didn't know the extent of the Holocaust during the war. The GIs who liberated the camps were shocked.


Trudy Booth - Sep 24, 2007 7:47:41 pm PDT #2734 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Hell, there were Germans who didn't know the extent of the Holocaust.

(Granted, there is probably a certain amount of denial involved in that -- the Jews seemed to know it was bad.)


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2007 7:48:30 pm PDT #2735 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the American public didn't know the extent of the Holocaust during the war

What about the American decision-makers?

Lee, damn. Those are some boots. Luckily I know I'd never wear them, so I'm safe.

I'm still trying to find the right moment for my red tights. Any time now, I'm sure.


BigDuluth - Sep 24, 2007 7:50:13 pm PDT #2736 of 10001
"I am the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world"

certainly the American public didn't know the extent of the Holocaust during the war

but regardless of the what the American public knew, what did the American GOVERNMENT know? I'm hard-pressed to believe no word filtered out of Germany when the attrocities started.


DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 7:50:45 pm PDT #2737 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What about the American decision-makers?

Hard to say. FDR had some information but there seems to be have been widespread distrust that it was true.

I'm not sure if that's after the fact ass-covering, but I do get that impression.

There were certainly intelligence reports indicating the mass deportation of Jews, but the White House didn't seem to think the death camps were real.


Atropa - Sep 24, 2007 7:52:03 pm PDT #2738 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Lee, damn. Those are some boots. Luckily I know I'd never wear them, so I'm safe.

I have the ankle-high version of those. They're my snow boots.