I want those. Don't know when I'd wear them, but I want them.
Exactly.
I hope you don't think that I just come over for the spells and everything. I mean, I really like just talking and hanging out with you and stuff.
Willow ,'First Date'
Natter 54: Right here, dammit.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Lee - Sep 24, 2007 7:44:12 pm PDT #2732 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 7:44:27 pm PDT #2733 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Plus the genocide thing.
We're operating without the benefit of hindsight and certainly the American public didn't know the extent of the Holocaust during the war. The GIs who liberated the camps were shocked.
Trudy Booth - Sep 24, 2007 7:47:41 pm PDT #2734 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Hell, there were Germans who didn't know the extent of the Holocaust.
(Granted, there is probably a certain amount of denial involved in that -- the Jews seemed to know it was bad.)
§ ita § - Sep 24, 2007 7:48:30 pm PDT #2735 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
the American public didn't know the extent of the Holocaust during the war
What about the American decision-makers?
Lee, damn. Those are some boots. Luckily I know I'd never wear them, so I'm safe.
I'm still trying to find the right moment for my red tights. Any time now, I'm sure.
BigDuluth - Sep 24, 2007 7:50:13 pm PDT #2736 of 10001
"I am the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world"
certainly the American public didn't know the extent of the Holocaust during the war
but regardless of the what the American public knew, what did the American GOVERNMENT know? I'm hard-pressed to believe no word filtered out of Germany when the attrocities started.
DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 7:50:45 pm PDT #2737 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
What about the American decision-makers?
Hard to say. FDR had some information but there seems to be have been widespread distrust that it was true.
I'm not sure if that's after the fact ass-covering, but I do get that impression.
There were certainly intelligence reports indicating the mass deportation of Jews, but the White House didn't seem to think the death camps were real.
Atropa - Sep 24, 2007 7:52:03 pm PDT #2738 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Lee, damn. Those are some boots. Luckily I know I'd never wear them, so I'm safe.
I have the ankle-high version of those. They're my snow boots.
tommyrot - Sep 24, 2007 7:54:14 pm PDT #2739 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
but regardless of the what the American public knew, what did the American GOVERNMENT know?
Looks like the "Final Solution" wasn't actually ordered until mid-1942, 6 months after the US entered the war. There were mass-killings of Jews and others before then, but not on the scale seen during the "final solution."
Lee - Sep 24, 2007 7:57:04 pm PDT #2740 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
ooh, I should go look for the ankle high ones. I think I would like them even more.
DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 7:59:48 pm PDT #2741 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
From wikipedia (FWIW):
In the decades since the Holocaust, some national governments, international bodies, and world leaders have been criticized for their failure to take appropriate action to save the millions of European Jews, Roma, homosexuals and other victims of the Holocaust. Critics say that such intervention, particularly by the Allied governments, might have saved substantial numbers of people and could have been accomplished without the diversion of significant resources from the war effort.[1][2][3]
Other researchers have challenged such criticism. Some have argued that the idea that the Allies took no action is a myth — that the Allies accepted as many German Jewish immigrants as the Nazis would allow — and that theoretical military action by the Allies, such as bombing the Auschwitz concentration camp, would have saved the lives of very few people.[4] Others have said that the limited intelligence available to the Allies — who, as late as October 1944, did not know the locations of many of the Nazi death camps or the purposes of the various buildings within those camps they had identified — made precision bombing impossible.[5]