Actually not needing validation right now, but thank you.

Buffy ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - Sep 22, 2007 4:45:51 am PDT #2241 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Am I the only one who is not on Facebook?

No. I don't need to be a real person on the internet. I don't really see the point. I know where my family is, and any old classmates I want to be in touch with, I'm in touch with.


Sue - Sep 22, 2007 5:06:19 am PDT #2242 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Oh ita, feel better.


Burrell - Sep 22, 2007 6:12:05 am PDT #2243 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Oh dear ita, that doesn't sound good. Call me if I can help at all.

I want to know how they explain unrelated people "seeing" the same ghost in the same place.

I would think the infrasound argument could explain that easily, as the sound source (which presumably wouldn't have been moved) would be the cause of the sightings. On the other hand, it doesn't help to explain Matt's light switch at all.

Back when I had my students write about their dreams several wrote about dreams that they believed were visitations from someone who had died, in a couple cases the person had died at the same time that the dreamer was dreaming.


Jessica - Sep 22, 2007 6:24:49 am PDT #2244 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Real science is pretty much: must be able to reproduce in a controlled experiment.

In which case astral projection counts, because neuroscientists can pretty easily induce out of body experiences in the lab. They can do the same with religious epiphanies. It's not that the experiences aren't "real" - it's simply that they're biochemical rather than supernatural.


Liese S. - Sep 22, 2007 6:26:01 am PDT #2245 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I can't ever be on facebook. Violating rules of internet!

Of course, I thought I'd never be on lj, either.


Hil R. - Sep 22, 2007 8:42:00 am PDT #2246 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Alibelle - Sep 22, 2007 9:22:54 am PDT #2247 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I would think the infrasound argument could explain that easily, as the sound source (which presumably wouldn't have been moved) would be the cause of the sightings. On the other hand, it doesn't help to explain Matt's light switch at all.

I've heard so many different ghost stories that I believe, for which I don't believe low frequency can account. There's definitely situations that it can account for, but not all of them. For instance, in the first apartment my parents lived in, they each saw a girl with long blonde hair and jeans. Neither one got a creepy vibe off of her, but they saw her. One time my mom even felt her touch her hair, and my father came into the room and saw her do so. And every time they saw her in the apartment, this cross that they had nailed to the wall in their bedroom would end up turned around. Like, something that could only be accomplished with a hammer, unstuck from the wall, then turned around and nailed back into the wall, kind of turned around. Eventually, months and months later, my mom asked a neighbor if she ever saw a blonde girl wandering around, and my mom described her. The neighbor ended up producing a picture of the last tenant in my parents' apartment, who had gotten a little too high and walked off the balcony one day, and it turns out that girl was the same one my parents had seen for months.

And believe me when I tell you that my father was absolutely not the sort of person to buy into any of that stuff. I'm sort of surprised he would even admit to seeing her, whether he saw her or not.


§ ita § - Sep 22, 2007 11:56:07 am PDT #2248 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Second time admitted to this not private room area, second time sharing a room with someone traumatised. She's left now--seems she was a teen involved in a DUI accident (passenger in a drunk's car, drunk died beside her) who kept getting driven to screaming by pain of being 'broken'. Poor thing.

Last time it was a woman younger than me with multiple unexplained strokes.

Okay. Bedtime for me.


Burrell - Sep 22, 2007 1:07:59 pm PDT #2249 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Oh ita, I'm so sorry that you're once again in the hospital. Sounds like it was a brutal night.

I've heard so many different ghost stories that I believe, for which I don't believe low frequency can account. There's definitely situations that it can account for, but not all of them.

I wasn't trying to disprove the existence of ghosts, I was just noting that the one theory would explain a lot of instances. But I also know a lot of people, like you, who have some pretty uncanny stories. (Supposedly the house my mom grew up in was haunted and she saw the ghost several times.)

I'm actually pretty credulous, I tend to believe in supernatural things, ghosts, visitations, spiritual powers and the like. But I do realize that puts me on the woo woo side of things, and I like to explore that zone where science and supernatural seem to compete to explain things. So I find the infrasound idea fascinating (I had never heard of it before). And the theory that Jessica referred to that there's a biochemical basis for religious epiphany (that one I've read about). That there's an underlying biochemical basis doesn't deny the possibility of God to me, quite the opposite.


lisah - Sep 22, 2007 1:21:15 pm PDT #2250 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

those boots confused me

haha! Me too! But then I got them anyway. My theme for this year, so far, is falling for the inappropriate, I think.

ugh, ita. I hope today and tonight are peaceful for you.