Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right, we'd be in jail.

Wash ,'Serenity'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Sep 22, 2007 8:42:00 am PDT #2246 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Alibelle - Sep 22, 2007 9:22:54 am PDT #2247 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I would think the infrasound argument could explain that easily, as the sound source (which presumably wouldn't have been moved) would be the cause of the sightings. On the other hand, it doesn't help to explain Matt's light switch at all.

I've heard so many different ghost stories that I believe, for which I don't believe low frequency can account. There's definitely situations that it can account for, but not all of them. For instance, in the first apartment my parents lived in, they each saw a girl with long blonde hair and jeans. Neither one got a creepy vibe off of her, but they saw her. One time my mom even felt her touch her hair, and my father came into the room and saw her do so. And every time they saw her in the apartment, this cross that they had nailed to the wall in their bedroom would end up turned around. Like, something that could only be accomplished with a hammer, unstuck from the wall, then turned around and nailed back into the wall, kind of turned around. Eventually, months and months later, my mom asked a neighbor if she ever saw a blonde girl wandering around, and my mom described her. The neighbor ended up producing a picture of the last tenant in my parents' apartment, who had gotten a little too high and walked off the balcony one day, and it turns out that girl was the same one my parents had seen for months.

And believe me when I tell you that my father was absolutely not the sort of person to buy into any of that stuff. I'm sort of surprised he would even admit to seeing her, whether he saw her or not.


§ ita § - Sep 22, 2007 11:56:07 am PDT #2248 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Second time admitted to this not private room area, second time sharing a room with someone traumatised. She's left now--seems she was a teen involved in a DUI accident (passenger in a drunk's car, drunk died beside her) who kept getting driven to screaming by pain of being 'broken'. Poor thing.

Last time it was a woman younger than me with multiple unexplained strokes.

Okay. Bedtime for me.


Burrell - Sep 22, 2007 1:07:59 pm PDT #2249 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Oh ita, I'm so sorry that you're once again in the hospital. Sounds like it was a brutal night.

I've heard so many different ghost stories that I believe, for which I don't believe low frequency can account. There's definitely situations that it can account for, but not all of them.

I wasn't trying to disprove the existence of ghosts, I was just noting that the one theory would explain a lot of instances. But I also know a lot of people, like you, who have some pretty uncanny stories. (Supposedly the house my mom grew up in was haunted and she saw the ghost several times.)

I'm actually pretty credulous, I tend to believe in supernatural things, ghosts, visitations, spiritual powers and the like. But I do realize that puts me on the woo woo side of things, and I like to explore that zone where science and supernatural seem to compete to explain things. So I find the infrasound idea fascinating (I had never heard of it before). And the theory that Jessica referred to that there's a biochemical basis for religious epiphany (that one I've read about). That there's an underlying biochemical basis doesn't deny the possibility of God to me, quite the opposite.


lisah - Sep 22, 2007 1:21:15 pm PDT #2250 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

those boots confused me

haha! Me too! But then I got them anyway. My theme for this year, so far, is falling for the inappropriate, I think.

ugh, ita. I hope today and tonight are peaceful for you.


Scrappy - Sep 22, 2007 1:28:03 pm PDT #2251 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Lisah--I think you will rock those boots.


Alibelle - Sep 22, 2007 1:31:15 pm PDT #2252 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

I'm sorry, ita.

Yay, new boots, lisah!

I wasn't trying to disprove the existence of ghosts, I was just noting that the one theory would explain a lot of instances. But I also know a lot of people, like you, who have some pretty uncanny stories. (Supposedly the house my mom grew up in was haunted and she saw the ghost several times.)

Oh, I got that. I just meant that I felt that that theory wasn't complete enough to fully describe the phenomenon, for me. As far as I'm concerned, it's a weirder world than science can completely explain. At least, as of yet. Or, I suppose someone should ask why ghosts resonate in that frequency, to get a nice debate going.

My head still hurts. I really need to motivate myself to go out in the rain and buy some Excedrin. And I also need to do the dishes. And eat something other than hash browns, orange juice, and a Reese's cup. I just could not motivate myself to make any eggs. Happily, it is now well passed lunch time, and beginning to edge on towards early dinner.


Alibelle - Sep 22, 2007 2:15:33 pm PDT #2253 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

Okay, I am back, and people STILL are not posting. How is it that there will be five million posts when I can't read them at work, and on a rainy Saturday when I have no cash for a new book, and less motivation to do much of anything, there are about seven posts?

In other news, I went to the grocery store. I have now had a snack of chocolate milk and Excedrin, AIFG. Also, everything I bought was very on sale, so I got the 100 count Excedrin, 1/2 gallon of chocolate milk, 2 big Bounty rolls of paper towels for when I do eventually get to the business of cleaning my house, a new toothbrush, and tax, for $20.50. It's like The Price is Right, only better.

I am now vaguely reading the internet, and trying to learn how to flirt. One day, I mean to acquire a boyfriend. Although, I must be doing something all right, since I merely said, "Excuse me," to some guy completely blocking the aisle, and he looked me over from head to foot (mind you, I was wearing yesterday's outfit and had just run through the parking lot in the rain), and said, "That is really quite all right," with a giant smile showing all his teeth. So weird.

Who wants to come over and make me lunch so that I can just lay on my bed like a lump for the rest of the day?


Theodosia - Sep 22, 2007 2:46:28 pm PDT #2254 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'd come over, but for small and nearly irrelevant details like being on the far side of the country, and so damn tired from my own schooly day that I can barely move. Otherwise, I'd be there already.


Lee - Sep 22, 2007 2:56:25 pm PDT #2255 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Okay, I am back, and people STILL are not posting. How is it that there will be five million posts when I can't read them at work, and on a rainy Saturday when I have no cash for a new book, and less motivation to do much of anything, there are about seven posts?

We are hiding from you.

Sorry.