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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


§ ita § - Mar 23, 2012 11:44:14 am PDT #8770 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So apparently Moffat said this about Elementary:

“The bigger problem for us with Elementary is, what if it’s terrible? What if it’s awful? Then it degrades the brand. … I remember there was a legitimate American version made of Coupling, actually adapted from our version. It was terrible and it was a disaster and it did sort of diminish the original. So if there’s this completely unrelated rogue version of Sherlock going around and it’s bad, it can be bad for us.”

Which just...ire. Coupling US didn't just happen. He worked on it. He's friends with Colin because of it. Yes, it sucked. But, really, did it significantly tarnish the original? Howzat?

And when did the copyright or whatever holders of Sherlock Holmes turn over custody of their legacy to him? Or is he worried about how Conan Doyle's books? That's big of him.


Cass - Mar 23, 2012 3:09:50 pm PDT #8771 of 11831
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Yeah, that's clearly crap. You aren't worried about degrading the brand. You are worried about your own show, possibly and your own paycheck. But not the brand.


Ginger - Mar 23, 2012 3:30:54 pm PDT #8772 of 11831
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Sherlock Holmes copyright issues are a legal tangle of enormous proportions, but Conan Doyle's work is under copyright in the U.S. for another decade, thanks to the Disney copyright extension. Over the years, the copyright holders have licensed way more hideous things than a bad U.S. television show.


aurelia - Mar 26, 2012 6:17:47 pm PDT #8773 of 11831
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Oh, Castle. That was such a mixed bag. Was anyone else delighted by return of Westside Wally?


Vortex - Mar 27, 2012 1:57:07 pm PDT #8774 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I would hope that Castle would pick up on her willingness when she asked him what he wanted to talk to her about. In all fairness to Kate, it was probably kind of a mindfuck after she'd been shot, and easier to pretend that she didn't remember because he would not have left her alone. And then, how would she bring it up if/when she was ready to hear it again.


aurelia - Mar 27, 2012 5:18:56 pm PDT #8775 of 11831
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I know, right? It's like he's completely forgotten the swingset conversation from the season premiere. She's so ready to have the conversation if he'd just talk to her.


§ ita § - Mar 27, 2012 6:36:24 pm PDT #8776 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

how would she bring it up if/when she was ready to hear it again.

Well, one of them has to be able to bring it up, or they'll just go in circles forever. She's no less able to bring it up than he is, and frankly, she has the edge here. She has more of an idea of how they both feel than he does.

I don't see why the ball is in his court.


WindSparrow - Mar 28, 2012 7:11:51 am PDT #8777 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I don't see why the ball is in his court.

Exactly. It isn't like she is inexperienced and shy. It should be well within her capacity to say, "The thing is, I have feelings for you. And I do remember you telling me you love me. It scared the hell out of me then because I don't know why. And it was unfair of me to try to pretend I didn't remember. Not completely ready to have a relationship yet because I'm still working through issues leftover from my mother's murder, my shooting, the Captain's death, but I am working with my therapist. I have no right to ask you to wait, but I am hoping when [whatever benchmark is reached] we can try to have something together."

Oh, look I just wrote my first Castle fanfic.


Cass - Mar 28, 2012 4:48:33 pm PDT #8778 of 11831
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Well, one of them has to be able to bring it up, or they'll just go in circles forever.

This being a tv show with a will-they-or-won't-they thing going on, I assume they're just going in circles. Which honestly annoys me. Fish or cut bait. The circles make me so annoyed with shows. This one is proving to be no exception. It took me two days and countless times paused and forgetting that I was, oh, watching a drama to get through the ep.

But, yeah, she's a grown up and either of them could bring it up.


Connie Neil - Mar 28, 2012 5:32:23 pm PDT #8779 of 11831
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Ryan and Esposito are often the saving grace when I get tired of the soap opera. I love that Ryan's marriage is considered to be absolutely solid and that he and Jennifer are probably going to be stupidly in love forever.