I like the Closer on the same ground. I mean the Chief has tons of issues, but they are neuroses and ordinary issues with family, not deep tragic angst.

I keep thinking I'd like the Closer, but I have an irrational bias against her voice.

Connie,

I got used to it, and the accent had changed over the years. Watch the pilot. If you don't like the pilot, bail.

I agree, Typo, but I am kind of glad to see them now acknowledging that she's basically killed two people.

Yeah, the whole rogue-cop-for-the-greater-good thing always got up my nose. But I do like that it was not deep angst or anything. She simply came up with a way to take on the bad guy, and did not even notice that she stepped over a line until the investigation not only started, but had been going on for a while. She was initially indignant at being investigated, and it eventually dawned on her that setting up the murder to be murdered himself was not the same thing as righteous bust.

BTW not a faithful viewer. Who was the other person she killed?

Kind of a similar situation. Mexican Federale who had engineered a cartel hit on someone - she had the Federale booked into gen pop under the target's name. Better and worse really - at least in that case she was arguably protecting the true target, but it was much more of a certainty that the guy would be brutally killed.

I think that was end of first or second season. It was really shocking at the time, but also they just replayed that ep in the weekend reruns.

It made me much less sympathetic this time 'round, and her protestations of - I don't know, obliviousness - ring a little hollow. I'm glad to see them grappling with it, and while I don't really expect them to take it where it should go, it is the final season so who knows?

She's done that more than twice. There was a guy with the Russian mob, an illegitimate son of a mob leader, who had run through a string of young prostitutes and then beat them to death when he was done with them. The FBI was protecting him because he was a key witness to some other case, so Brenda Lee couldn't get him on any of the murders. She arranged things so that he was released in the custody of the mob lawyer, so that the mob would know (by way of the lawyer) that he was cooperating with the Feds, also knowing that he would be killed as soon as he got out of the building.

There was another case where a pedophile had killed a young girl (Ruby?)... didn't they put him in general population, where he had been beaten so severely that he was terrified into committing suicide.

She has a tendency to be brutally expedient when it suits her.

Oh, I forgot about the Russian. At this point she's basically a serial killer.

OK, yeah, so maybe I won't like The Closer. It's not good when I'm rooting for the "hero" to get arrested. (I just cannot get into Dexter. I don't care how much they "deserve" it, you don't get to murder whomever you feel like.)

Connie,

I'm not rooting for her to be arrested, but I do think she needs to retire (or whatever the police equivalent is). There is an endpoint for Sedgewick in this show, because this is her last season They are going to spin off the series, and there are several other characters to like on the show.

I like it because the interplay of the secondary characters is really interesting and the camera work is awesome and provides a LOT of visual humor. Not a show to watch while typing.