Mal: You tell me right now, little Kaylee, you really think you can do this? Kaylee: Sure. Yeah. I think so. 'Sides, if I mess up, not like you'll be able to yell at me.

'Bushwhacked'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


brenda m - Jul 30, 2011 6:14:08 pm PDT #7950 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I agree, Typo, but I am kind of glad to see them now acknowledging that she's basically killed two people.


Typo Boy - Jul 30, 2011 10:29:07 pm PDT #7951 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, the whole rogue-cop-for-the-greater-good thing always got up my nose. But I do like that it was not deep angst or anything. She simply came up with a way to take on the bad guy, and did not even notice that she stepped over a line until the investigation not only started, but had been going on for a while. She was initially indignant at being investigated, and it eventually dawned on her that setting up the murder to be murdered himself was not the same thing as righteous bust.

BTW not a faithful viewer. Who was the other person she killed?


brenda m - Jul 31, 2011 8:32:59 am PDT #7952 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Kind of a similar situation. Mexican Federale who had engineered a cartel hit on someone - she had the Federale booked into gen pop under the target's name. Better and worse really - at least in that case she was arguably protecting the true target, but it was much more of a certainty that the guy would be brutally killed.

I think that was end of first or second season. It was really shocking at the time, but also they just replayed that ep in the weekend reruns.

It made me much less sympathetic this time 'round, and her protestations of - I don't know, obliviousness - ring a little hollow. I'm glad to see them grappling with it, and while I don't really expect them to take it where it should go, it is the final season so who knows?


Morgana - Jul 31, 2011 5:21:23 pm PDT #7953 of 11831
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

She's done that more than twice. There was a guy with the Russian mob, an illegitimate son of a mob leader, who had run through a string of young prostitutes and then beat them to death when he was done with them. The FBI was protecting him because he was a key witness to some other case, so Brenda Lee couldn't get him on any of the murders. She arranged things so that he was released in the custody of the mob lawyer, so that the mob would know (by way of the lawyer) that he was cooperating with the Feds, also knowing that he would be killed as soon as he got out of the building.

There was another case where a pedophile had killed a young girl (Ruby?)... didn't they put him in general population, where he had been beaten so severely that he was terrified into committing suicide.

She has a tendency to be brutally expedient when it suits her.


brenda m - Jul 31, 2011 5:29:17 pm PDT #7954 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, I forgot about the Russian. At this point she's basically a serial killer.


Connie Neil - Jul 31, 2011 5:37:26 pm PDT #7955 of 11831
brillig

OK, yeah, so maybe I won't like The Closer. It's not good when I'm rooting for the "hero" to get arrested. (I just cannot get into Dexter. I don't care how much they "deserve" it, you don't get to murder whomever you feel like.)


le nubian - Jul 31, 2011 5:50:23 pm PDT #7956 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Connie,

I'm not rooting for her to be arrested, but I do think she needs to retire (or whatever the police equivalent is). There is an endpoint for Sedgewick in this show, because this is her last season They are going to spin off the series, and there are several other characters to like on the show.

I like it because the interplay of the secondary characters is really interesting and the camera work is awesome and provides a LOT of visual humor. Not a show to watch while typing.


Typo Boy - Jul 31, 2011 6:50:56 pm PDT #7957 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Well enjoying the series is not the same as cheering for the character. But I admit Until I heard about the other murderers I did kind of like her. For some reason I found her neurosis endearing. But I don't think she is clueless in sense of not knowing what she did was illegal if she got caught. She is clueless in the sense of not seeing anything wrong with killing the bad guys, and indignant that the law would be enforced against her as long as her target was a murderer who would otherwise get away with it. And surprised that there was a chance of her being caught. That scene with the adulterer episode before last looked to me like it was actually dawning on her that murder was wrong even when she did it. But the next episode did not seem to follow up on that. Also I note that hubby does not see anything wrong with her murdering bad guys as long as she is not caught, provided the methodlogy is setup and withdraw protection.


sj - Jul 31, 2011 7:01:29 pm PDT #7958 of 11831
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Regarding The Closer. There was also the teenage boy who she couldn't get in the US so she had him arrested in Mexico because the victim was from there and you definitely got the impression he was going to be severly hurt or worse.


Vortex - Jul 31, 2011 7:03:30 pm PDT #7959 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

In the case of the drug dealer, I think that she felt justified because Pope forced her to offer immunity and the murderer got away scot free because of it. There was no way to punish him legally.