I think it's cute too, TB. Kind of in a retro way, but I would have watched "White Collar" when I was thirteen too so I mean that in a fond way.(of course, in those days, I wouldn't have been quite comfotrable with that whole "Pretty. Want." feeling I have about Bomer sometimes, nor quite understood why it was a lost cause) Maybe Critics are too jaded, or always looking for that decade-defining show, which "Laura" clearly is not, but I don't feel like my time is defiled by looking at it or anything

I stopped watching Gracepoint about four eps in because of time and it just wasn't as good as Broadchurch. But I watched the final ep and I liked the culprit(s) better, somehow. And of course, if you're going to remake a show and change the villain, why would you try to make it less horrible at the reveal? It was going to have to be on an equal level of horrible, except now a good portion of their audience has already seen that Horrible, so you need a new one, of equal or greater value. Or really great writers to make the intrigue even greater in some Machiavellian way. Like Detective Miller having done it.

Fucking Millers.

What did you think of the ending, msbelle? Did you have anyone picked as the killer? Did you feel like it was out of left field?

Out of left field, the meeting stuff anyway. The actual killer part I had thought since ep 1 or 2.

Yeah, I was thinking I would have had the same feeling. Except I'm not sure whether I would have had him pegged him early.

About Elementary, I would just like to say I consider Holmes's observations and recommendations about Watson's love life to be... a little like when Spike kept trying to tell Buffy she belonged in the shadows with him.

I do note that since Joan went on to make dinner, she obviously has the sense to realize that Holmes may be a great detective, but is not someone to take advice from on your personal life

About Elementary, I would just like to say I consider Holmes's observations and recommendations about Watson's love life to be... a little like when Spike kept trying to tell Buffy she belonged in the shadows with him.

I'm not clear on this: do you mean that you think Sherlock has romantic feelings (or just pantsfeelings) for Joan, and is trying to bring her around to his way of thinking? Or that he just gives bad advice because he thinks she should share his views on romantic attachment?

I do note that since Joan went on to make dinner, she obviously has the sense to realize that Holmes may be a great detective, but is not someone to take advice from on your personal life

I didn't get that vibe from the final scene where she was setting the table. I got the vibe that she was conflicted.

I'm not clear on this: do you mean that you think Sherlock has romantic feelings (or just pantsfeelings) for Joan, and is trying to bring her around to his way of thinking? Or that he just gives bad advice because he thinks she should share his views on romantic attachment?

A little of all it, all smooshed together and swirling around in a blender. Since Holmes returned to NY he feels different in regard to Watson. His posture and stance look different. Something is off. The time apart seems to have made him crave her, in his emotionally repressed stiff-upper-lip way. Physically? Emotionally? Romantically? Sexually? Perhaps in just one or two dimensions, perhaps in all. The way he divides himself up, I don't think he would read the same "in love" as a more ordinary man would. Last season, I was feeling their chemistry as so utterly platonic that I imagined that they could conceivably fall into bed together to scratch the itch as friends then roll over and carry on fighting crime like they had done nothing more emotionally significant than single stick sparing. They would manage it more cleanly than the episode of Seinfeld when Jerry and Elaine tried to be friends with benefits. It would be a tougher sell for Watson because she does generally want more out of sex than Holmes does, but in the right circumstances she could choose "just sex". This season? It wouldn't work. Holmes could not carry it off any more because he wants too much intimacy (of all kinds, I think) with Watson. Watson would not want to try it because of annoyance and broken trust - and it does not feel to me as though her end of their chemistry has altered in the least.

It's not that I think Holmes wants to be in love with Watson, or would admit it if he were. I think if he could arrange the universe to suit his whims, he would bring Watson back to the brownstone, have her living and working with him for the rest of their lives in an intellectually and emotionally (as much as he can manage) intimate relationship all the while never touching her (because that way lies Adler/Moriarty madness), the two of them satisfying any sexual urges dispassionately elsewhere. If Holmes can convince Watson she can happily shed the desire for conventional relationship, he will be just that much closer to the relationship that he wants.

OK, I know McGarret has crossed a lot of lines on various occasions, but cutting down the tree may be too far for me.

At least they didn't get away with it.