Marco: Do we look reasonable to you? Mal: Well. Looks can be deceiving. Jayne: Not as deceiving as a low down dirty... deceiver.

'Out Of Gas'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


WindSparrow - May 21, 2014 3:45:08 am PDT #10766 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

My wanting no Romance is not because I don't see chemistry. It it because between eight and ten freaking years have passed without Jane making a move. My feeling is that Lisbon should have moved on, regardless of chemistry.

My theory of this ship is that it hasn't really been ten years of unrequited/undeclared love for Lisbon. If you have seen the 100th episode which is a flashback to Jane's entrance to the CBI, there isn't much feeling there from Lisbon to Jane other than compassion. He's a stray she takes in, to some extent. She does not find him attractive, the way we see in early episodes like "Red Hair and Silver Tape". While it is possible that Jane for his part may have glommed on to her in a much deeper fashion, he's also fresh out of the hospital and wounded beyond the telling of it. I doubt either of them fall in love at first sight. It is only after years together that they forge anything remotely resembling a partnership. And it is over those years that they certainly become work spouses. The fact that neither of them have any significant others waiting at home conspires to create a deeper level of intimacy than would ordinarily form between work spouses. Then add to that a growing awareness of each other's physical desirability, these factors cause them to slowly fall for each other. Jane hasn't been dangling Lisbon on a string for a decade. It's possible he had feelings he was about to confess during "Strawberries and Cream" when they broke in on the guy who had strapped the bomb vest to Lisbon (and really, would he have stuck to her the way he did if he didn't realize he didn't want to live without her?)

As for Lisbon, I don't know when she might have actually fallen for Jane beyond a raw crush. Her old mentor Bosco certainly thought he saw something, but I don't think Lisbon had realized it for herself at that point. I believe that there were years when she suppressed her feelings, deliberately treating him as a troublesome brother in order to keep him in a safe category in her heart as it slowly creeps into her awareness that her affection for him is deeper and more dangerous than she can control. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't really admit it to herself until he absconded to Vegas.


Atropa - May 23, 2014 10:26:34 pm PDT #10767 of 11831
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I'm hoping it doesn't disappoint the way Coven did.

gnnnnng. Still annoyed about that.

Come on! The hats! When will we ever see such splendid hatdom again.

At my house? On a daily basis? Hats and witchcraft, I've got your supply.

The Hannibal finale, DAMN. "Surprise, our surrogate daughter isn't actually dead! We could have been a happy murder family on the run, but NO, you had to ruin everything." Worst breakup ever, and I don't actually ship Will/Hannibal.

Also, BEDELIA WTF?


Typo Boy - May 23, 2014 10:55:35 pm PDT #10768 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

t's not like it has to be a thing burning at your pants with an expiry date. I've gotten together with a guy after about that long (though apparently we had chemistry because people (including him) thought we were dating). It was fabulous.

Had you spent hours a day with him five days or more a week over that time period?

Windsparrow, you have a point.


§ ita § - May 24, 2014 8:13:53 am PDT #10769 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Had you spent hours a day with him five days or more a week over that time period?

I don't see how that's relevant to if she could love him over a period of years without consummation. Is there an expiry period that's invoked by exposure? She could have spent that whole time learning more about him and falling deeper in love. You seem to have my points.

(We spent three years in each other's pockets, FWIW, but I think that's completely irrelevant--there are so many scenarios which don't violate either character that it's the weirdest objection to a ship I don't see I've ever seen.)


Amy - May 24, 2014 8:34:44 am PDT #10770 of 11831
Because books.

Hanibal finale: SO. Much. Blood. What the fuck just happened?


JoeCrow - May 24, 2014 11:15:06 am PDT #10771 of 11831
"what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?" "An autistic hermaphodite." -Allyson

Current odds of actual final death for everybody who's bleeding to death at Chez Hannibal:

Will: 5% because plot immunity, lead character, etc.

Alana: 35% because they're running out of female characters, for fuck's sake

Jack: 75% because Laurence has a lead role on another show

Abigail: 95% because, Jesus, it's gotta take, sooner or later. That kid's gonna end up with a goddam callous on her neck if she survives this one.

So, yeah, Bedelia coming in out of left field there. That was a surprise. But in the end, really, Will, you probably shoulda eloped with your murder husband when he offered.


sj - May 24, 2014 6:16:59 pm PDT #10772 of 11831
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Hannibal! The only thing I predicted right about the finale was that it would end with Hannibal on the run. I didn't see any of the rest coming.


JZ - May 25, 2014 6:44:55 am PDT #10773 of 11831
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I knew he had to end up on the run, but during the show itself I got so utterly lost in what was happening that I completely forgot and was flabbergasted when he (as Fuller put it in a post-finale interview) dropped the mic and walked away.

That was brutal and harrowing, and oh God Abigail. I never for a moment thought she was still alive, felt certain all the fandom hoping and wishing for her survival was pure delusion -- and then there she was, and then there she wasn't, in the most traumatic and wrenching way possible. Everything, everyone that mattered to Will at all (except the dogs), left in blood and wreckage, because Hannibal smelled a trace of Freddie Lounds and added two and two and got betrayal. Betrayal was intolerable, and so Will's whole world (except the dogs) is obliterated.


Amy - May 25, 2014 6:55:58 am PDT #10774 of 11831
Because books.

Hannibal smelled a trace of Freddie Lounds and added two and two and got betrayal

The scene where he catches the scent is incredible. So much going on in his eyes, and yet his expression barely changes.

Also found Hannibal's hand hovering near Will's cheek almost unbearably tender. There's a whole twisted Frankenstein's monster theme to unravel there, I think.

Oh, and Bedelia! I couldn't decide if the look on her face in the plan was obsessed love, or fascinated horror.


Dana - May 27, 2014 3:23:40 pm PDT #10775 of 11831
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Watched the Hannibal finale.

Rocks fall, everyone dies?