Maybe Jack is Patroclus and Will is Achilles?

Hm. I think each character would have a different answer.

Michael Pitt is so deliriously horrible in all his manic Grand Guignol giggly madness.

I have decided that Jerry Horne (Twin Peaks) is "Papa" Verger. (Audrey and Margot would be cousins!) (If I were a fanfic writer, I'd keep building on this idea until I found a way to have a scene between Hannibal and Dr. Jacoby.) (It's possible I need more sleep.)

I have to say that, as much as I enjoy Margot Verger's portrayal and all of rest of the luminously beautiful batshit craziness that comes with this show, I've had a lot of difficulty mustering much sympathy for her poor-little-rich-girl woes about what might happen if her brother dies and all of her daddy's money vanishes into the SBC's coffers. Yeah, they're loathsome scumbags, and I'd hate to see them get richer, but she's spent her entire existence failing to acquire any skills that might result in remunerative occupation, and now she might not get to spend the rest of her life doing the backstroke in the deep end of her daddy's money pool?

Get a job, lady. Welcome to the working class.

Yeah, but she's spent her entire life being isolated from the larger world and physically and emotionally abused by her only sibling and (apparently) only parent. She didn't fail to develop basic life skills, she was actively thwarted from pursuing them or from being able to imagine that she even had any right to do so. That she still has enough sense of self to hate her brother, want to take everything from him and take practical steps to do so is practically a miracle. It's just a truly horrible miracle, because the world of this show is a truly horrible world.

I was going to say that if it were a reality-based show rather than an emotionally true but hellcrazy fever dream I'd be right with you on the "Get a job, lady" train, but then I remembered these kids. Even if you're as naturally good and sweet as these two appear to be, that many years with no way out from that much evil (with, like Margot, almost the entire outside world, despite numerous opportunities to rescue you, willing to just shrug and let the evil keep toying with you, because money) can be brutally damaging.

And erika, blech Dexter and everything about it (except Angel Batista and the very likable actor who played him, who so deserved to be in a better procedural). This really isn't the same kind of show at all; it's a Bryan Fuller show. It's dressed up in serial killer/procedural drag, but stripped naked it's Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies with all the metaphysics but almost none of the twee (well, no, there's actually kind of a lot of twee, but it's very gruesome twee). It's kind of a shitty procedural, but that isn't really the point of it. The procedural is just the structure Fuller's currently using to explore all the same themes he always explores in every show he ever does; whatever he does next when this ends (hopefully not until he's finished the 7-year plan he's already got plotted out for this one) will be the same themes again in some different genre drag.

I guess my distance isn't surprising since I'd have broken up with Wonderfalls season 2 and didn't like Pushing Daisies.

All I can think is "YES, it's very pretty. YES, you're very crazy." But since they killed Katz I don't even care about the rest of the Casketeers.

Yeah, if you didn't like WF or PD this is so not your beautiful cake.

I don't really see the comparison, to be honest -- even Wonderfalls was much more realistic than Hannibal is (I did love Wonderfalls, though). I guess I would say that Hannibal is much more aggressively adult-themed in every way, which seems obvious, but it also doesn't have the same sense of humor Wonderfalls had.

The longer it goes on, the more it feels like a nightmarish fever dream. I like that, though!

Maybe I only have room for one at a time?

American Horror Story has provided for my every fever dream need, and I'm excited about next year. Yeah, the Glee guy does it for me more (why lie? I love whatever's wrong with Tim's brain).

I'm super excited for next season, for reasons, but I'm hoping it doesn't disappoint the way Coven did.

With Hannibal there's also the fact that I just really love to watch Hugh Dancy and Mads Mikkelsen interact.

I'm hoping it doesn't disappoint the way Coven did.

Come on! The hats! When will we ever see such splendid hatdom again.

I thought the ending of it punked out not least of all because...let me start from the beginning.

AHS is my sister's favourite show bar Breaking Bad. By season 3 I remember I can ask Tim for things. "Can you sign a mug I'll buy and a script for her?" "Sure." [time passes] "When can I get the script and the mug signed?" "Oh, John [go John!] has the script in New Orleans being signed by the cast." Okay, I can wait.

Eventually I go by their offices on the lot and am standing outside the writer's room waiting for someone to notice me.

"Here's how we'll end it then--Cordelia is the prime, and Fiona comes back just as Cordelia, Zoe, and Queenie are establishing a new coven with girls from all over the world and kills them all. Final conflict--mother/daughter, not voodoo/witchcraft or black/white."

I almost swallowed my tongue. I was so fucking excited. I didn't even tell Tim I heard it for weeks. This was just after the episode where Queenie got shot, and the most Tim did was tell me that she wasn't dead, and how he'd have directed the scene where she'd killed the husband. BUT THE REST. I liked what we got--I loved what we didn't.

My sister loved the gift, incidentally. Although I don't think John got Gabby's signature, which I would really have liked. But all the other women were there.

t /A Very AHS Christmas

it also doesn't have the same sense of humor Wonderfalls had.

Oh, I think it does when you adjust for context. Same goes for AHS and Glee.

JZ, that story is just... wow. As bad as I feel for those kids, I really hope they never procreate.