Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


Spike's Bitches 37: You take the killing for granted.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Steph L. - Sep 25, 2007 10:54:45 am PDT #6936 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Although the "corset" play piercings look SO cool.

Yes, but...but. All I can see is the redness and the owey and the potential for infection...and snagging on things...

They're only temporary, so the potential for snagging on things is lower. As for the potential of infection -- that's what sterile needles and alcohol are for.


brenda m - Sep 25, 2007 10:55:03 am PDT #6937 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Although the "corset" play piercings look SO cool. I think I'd try *that.*

Yeah, that's kind of appealing. Huh.


JZ - Sep 25, 2007 10:55:10 am PDT #6938 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I am so very, very not clicking on Tep's link. I may have soldiered through 18 needles in my first four hours at the hospital during the onset of the Great Bedrest Torment of Aught-Six, but I'm still not keen on skin with holes in it. I have no problem intellectually processing all the psychosexual factors that might feed into skin with holes in it as an element of play, but my lizard brain just scrabbles back into a corner and hisses in panic.

As to what constitutes seriously bent kink anymore, I can remember exactly two examples over the last couple of years of Dan Savage coming close to saying, "Ew, fine, that's part of who you are and yay you for embracing it but please keep it to yourself." The first was the letter-writer whose sister had insisted on bringing her slave, dressed in full slave gear, to the family Thanksgiving dinner (they had a formal written contract and he lived in a dungeon room in her basement), and the second was (whitefonted for extreme grossness, and do not read if you're eating lunch) masturbation with feces play and poo-flinging. It's probably safe to say that if it can make Dan Savage go "Ew," it's still solidly outside Middle America's mainstream. Short of that, I'm not sure there's much pure kink left.


Trudy Booth - Sep 25, 2007 10:55:20 am PDT #6939 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

God, that seems like a lifetime ago. But I do remember it was very fun.

Two years I think. Dude.


Steph L. - Sep 25, 2007 10:55:36 am PDT #6940 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Although the "corset" play piercings look SO cool. I think I'd try *that.*

Yeah, that's kind of appealing. Huh.

Plus, endorphin rush = YAY.


megan walker - Sep 25, 2007 10:58:16 am PDT #6941 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Two years I think.

It was when I was interviewing at Bennington right? Then three. Still, multiple apartments and cities ago.


Steph L. - Sep 25, 2007 10:58:49 am PDT #6942 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

The first was the letter-writer whose sister had insisted on bringing her slave, dressed in full slave gear, to the family Thanksgiving dinner (they had a formal written contract and he lived in a dungeon room in her basement)

See, shit like that pisses me off. One of the biggest tenets of kink is that it has to be consensual. And the thing is, that's not limited to the 2 (or more) partners -- if you're bringing your slave, in collar, etc., to your non-kinky family's holiday dinner, and they (1) don't know you're going to do so, and/or (2) would prefer that your slave wear jeans and a sweater, then that is you, the "Master," VERY MUCH non-consensually dragging your family into your kink. And that's just selfish and egotistical and wrong.

Ahem. When did I climb up on this soapbox? I can see my house from up here!

(And the second thing, the one JZ kindly whitefonted -- YIKES! Unsanitary! UNSANITARY!)


Trudy Booth - Sep 25, 2007 10:59:35 am PDT #6943 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Three? Dude.


Steph L. - Sep 25, 2007 11:01:00 am PDT #6944 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Three? Dude.

You guys got to see my brother's restaurant (as did Nora and Tom) about a year before *I* ever did!


Vortex - Sep 25, 2007 11:01:23 am PDT #6945 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

See, shit like that pisses me off. One of the biggest tenets of kink is that it has to be consensual. And the thing is, that's not limited to the 2 (or more) partners -- if you're bringing your slave, in collar, etc., to your non-kinky family's holiday dinner, that is VERY MUCH non-consensual on your family's part. And that's just selfish and egotistical and wrong.

agreed. Being fairly vanilla myself, I'm also extremely open minded (most of my friends are kinky!) I wouldn't have a problem if one of my friends wanted to bring a slave to dinner, but ONLY if all of the other guests were okay with it. I might mention that if they wanted the slave to do the dishes, that would be okay with me.