There are no absolutes. No right and wrong. Haven't you learned anything working for the Powers? There are only choices.

Jasmine ,'Power Play'


Natter 53: We could just avoid making tortured puns  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jars - Sep 12, 2007 6:01:57 am PDT #9859 of 10001

You know how some days you're fairly sure there's something wrong with your brain?

I just went to the bathroom, washed my hands, then used the toilet.


Sue - Sep 12, 2007 6:03:35 am PDT #9860 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Happy Birthday Polter Cow!

My mom was in town last weekend and brought me a lasagna. Eating a whole lasagna by yourself means many, many, many meals of lasagna.


tommyrot - Sep 12, 2007 6:03:43 am PDT #9861 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

P-C generally doesn't hang out in Natter.

::off to Bitches::


tommyrot - Sep 12, 2007 6:20:55 am PDT #9862 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is this offensive? Hate speech? Should it be censored (by a TV network)?

LOS ANGELES - Before Kathy Griffin won a creative arts Emmy last weekend for her reality show, "My Life on the D-List," she joked that an award would move her to the C-list.

She was right: "C" as in censored. The TV academy said her raucous acceptance speech will be edited when the event, which was taped, is shown Saturday on the E! channel. The main prime-time Emmy Awards air the next night on Fox.

"Kathy Griffin's offensive remarks will not be part of the E! telecast on Saturday night," the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences said in a statement Monday.

In her speech, Griffin said that "a lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Jesus."

She went on to hold up her Emmy, make an off-color remark about Christ and proclaim, "This award is my god now!"

The comedian's remarks were condemned Monday by Catholic League President Bill Donohue, who called them a "vulgar, in-your-face brand of hate speech."

According to the TV academy and E!, when the four hour-plus ceremony is edited into a two-hour program, Griffin's remarks will be shown in "an abbreviated version" in which some language may be bleeped.

The "off-color remark about Christ" was "Suck it, Jesus!" Which I guess is what all the hoopla and hullabaloo is about. I'm not sure - would "Suck it, Yahweh!" be offensive? Hate speech? When it was clearly a joke?


§ ita § - Sep 12, 2007 6:25:43 am PDT #9863 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think it's a joke that many will find offensive (and she not just knew it, but bargained on it). But I don't think that makes it hate speech.

Man, I wish the Percocet would kick in so I can fall asleep.


tommyrot - Sep 12, 2007 6:27:19 am PDT #9864 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Egg McMuffin:

To me, hate speech would be along the lines of, "All those followers of Jesus are smelly and lazy and they lie and cheat and steal a lot." Saying, "Jesus can bite me" might be blasphemous and perhaps (from a Christian's point of view) inviting the wrath of God on the person who said it, but that doesn't seem like hate speech to me.


brenda m - Sep 12, 2007 6:28:01 am PDT #9865 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Donohue is a notorious crank, and in no position to be lecturing anyone on hate speech, for the record.


bon bon - Sep 12, 2007 6:28:46 am PDT #9866 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The comedian's remarks were condemned Monday by Catholic League President Bill Donohue, who called them a "vulgar, in-your-face brand of hate speech."

Donohue is hateful and the source of many manufactured "religious defamation" controversies. He hardly represents a mainstream view.


tommyrot - Sep 12, 2007 6:30:02 am PDT #9867 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

OK, I was thinking the "Catholic League" was a somewhat mainstream religious organization (as I'm not familiar with it).


Vortex - Sep 12, 2007 6:32:36 am PDT #9868 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

reason 24209985927 why my boss is an asshat:

annual report due on Monday the 10th. I know that I will be out Mon, Tues and Wed with the closing/move. I give him a draft on Tuesday the 4th, with all of the attachments. I tell him it's due on Monday the 10th. I send him an email with a soft copy, which says that it's Monday the 10. I call him on Friday the 7th to check, he is oblivious. He says we'll talk Monday. I remind him that I'm out. I offer to make myself available during the weekend. He tells me that he'll call Sunday. I wait, hear nothing. He calls at 8:45 Monday. I don't hear it, and wouldn't have answered if I did. I check my email later, say "hey, I found some typos" His response? "How do we get the report to them"

PUT IT IN AN EVELOPE AND MAIL YOU DUMB SHIT. I decide to be kind and act as if he was asking another question and reply with "I believe the address on the front page of the report is good for FedEx" Then he wants me to call him. I don't.

Last night, after many flights of stairs and a long night of packing ahead of me, I see an email asking about the attachments. I say "I gave you the attachments on Tuesday with the hard copy of the draft" His response "Are there attachments required? Call me"

MY GOD YOU ARE FUCKING INCOMPETENT OR THE LAZIEST PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE GODDAMNED EARTH. I WROTE the motherfucking report, I gave you the attachments. I did all of this FOUR BUSINESS DAYS before the shit was due, since I was going to be out. READ THE MOTHERFUCKING INSTRUCTIONS AND I HOPE TO GOD YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO LICK A STAMP.

(sorry for the huge cap use, but asshats require asscaps)