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Natter 53: We could just avoid making tortured puns  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Aug 07, 2007 9:08:52 am PDT #3058 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Do you see him as dissatisfied, bon? Are you similarly dissatisfied? What I get from him on that front isn't anything I've ever gotten from you.

First question, I guess I thought he was half-joking, but one's reaction to his quote depends on whether or not he was serious. No, I'm not dissatisfied now, but if I owned a house or had kids, maybe I would be. And I will probably radically shift my earnings when Bob gets a faculty job. I may quit for awhile, I don't know.


Connie Neil - Aug 07, 2007 9:09:31 am PDT #3059 of 10001
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ION, Fred Phelps Is Coming

Somebody is going to shoot that man, someday. And his moronic spawn will then call him a martyr. Hm, a downside.

t legal disclaimer: Of course, Connie does not advocate the cold-blooded murder of any sentient being. Any proof that Fred Phelps is/is not sentient can be sent to the profile address. Just saying


Liese S. - Aug 07, 2007 9:10:04 am PDT #3060 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

If they do, we can protest the funeral, right?


tommyrot - Aug 07, 2007 9:11:05 am PDT #3061 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

If they do, we can protest the funeral, right?
Holding signs saying, "What took you so long?"


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2007 9:11:09 am PDT #3062 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know what would make me feel like a nobody, I guess. And that's where my eyeroll comes in. Money, property, love, children...lacking any of those wouldn't make me feel like a nobody. Only lacking self respect would. I just don't get the word that way. Maybe he defines it differently from the way I do.

I guess that's the nub of why I don't see you and him as the same, but if you do hinge self respect on money then it's my misread.


bon bon - Aug 07, 2007 9:13:15 am PDT #3063 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Do you think he's a nobody? Or do you think the richer people do?

Of course it depends on the definition of nobody, but I think in Mahattan he's not really something special. You'd probably have to go back to the article to see what the definition of nobody is-- is he richer than his friends? Does he get better service at restaurants? Can he retire early and send his kids to college? Does he get called every day from his alma mater? Special service from his bank/broker?


Allyson - Aug 07, 2007 9:14:14 am PDT #3064 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

One of my interviewers this morning quoted my book at me: "The internet is just a reflection of the first world society that created it."

Or something like that.

And then he asked, "what does that mean?"

And I said, "well, to have the internet, you have to have electricity, a computer, basic shelter, lots of leisure time..you know, these aren't always readily available in the third world. So the net is just showing you what's going on all around you behind closed doors."

All the first world talk reminded me.


Fred Pete - Aug 07, 2007 9:17:00 am PDT #3065 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I can only wonder what'll happen the day somebody sues Fred Phelps, that stain on a perfectly good first name, for slander or libel.

Gas prices are in the $2.60 to $2.65 area in far western Fairfax County.

And if the quote means, "the movers and shakers here ignore you if you're only worth $10 million," I think it's more a comment on the movers and shakers there than assholishness. Otherwise, I'm less respectful.


Liese S. - Aug 07, 2007 9:18:10 am PDT #3066 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, definitely, ita. I think you'd have to think people could be Somebody in order to think they could be Nobody, and it's kind of a weird thing to think.

Although in this whole discussion, I'd have to say there's probably a certain amount of jealousy in how I regard him and his situation. I'm probably thinking to myself, if I were worth $10 million, I wouldn't (complain/say those things). But that's because I'm worth about $3,000. Okay, maybe $10,000 if you count the musical gear. I don't have the perspective that he has. If you just handed me the 10 mil, I would sock it in the bank and live off interest and be done with it. But that would be because all my friends aren't making more than that and wanting me to pay for parties and cars and whatnot. Whatnot is expensive, you know.

But I remember in the recent past where I felt pressure because it was tough for me to go out with my friends and buy a round. Eventually I felt like it was easier not to hang out with those friends. I can see where you can get in an environment where it seems necessary to keep grinding for that little bit more. But I also saw that when I was on that treadmill and I decided to get off.


bon bon - Aug 07, 2007 9:18:48 am PDT #3067 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I don't know what would make me feel like a nobody, I guess. And that's where my eyeroll comes in. Money, property, love, children...lacking any of those wouldn't make me feel like a nobody. Only lacking self respect would. I just don't get the word that way. Maybe he defines it differently from the way I do.

I guess that's the nub of why I don't see you and him as the same, but if you do hinge self respect on money then it's my misread.

I think you're at the heart of the disconnect for me. I don't think he's tying it to self-respect, just the social perks of being unusually rich. He doesn't get any at $10MM in Silicon Valley. He wouldn't get it in Manhattan, either.